Compulsory vaccinations

The one that the government are saying will be ready before Christmas?

 

Yes the one with only 94 confirmed cases from 43k of participants and if i recall correctly, they dont which of the 94 have had a vaccine or a placebo until the trial ends,

 

I would recommend reading the patent application that I provided the link for rather than just the 'Fact Check' website because it specifically states it can read brain wave activity.

Here is the relevant section.....



In answer to your question.... I've had Covid-19 already so, no I wouldn't bother having the vaccine until at least a few years down the line when it is proven to be safe in the longer term. I believe the scientists who suggest I'm likely to have some T-cell immunity having already had the virus so don't need feel that I need to have a vaccine. I don't feel the need to have a flu vaccine either for exactly the same reason.

 

Your last sentence is not strictly valid... Flu viruses mutates year on year. The vaccine used for the flu jab is modified each year to account for that. Last years vaccine is NOT the same one you would have this year. One of the reasons you can get flu when you may have had it relatively recently. It is not just down to reduced immune system function ass you get old.

 

I get your point and it was badly worded by me. I simply meant that having had flu before I don't feel the need to have a vaccine. It's over 25 years since a dose of flu put me in bed for 2 weeks and I haven't had it again since which suggests to me that I probably have some kind of immunity even though the virus has undoubtedly mutated in that time.

 

Just out of interest, what would an acceptable length of time be before you would be willing to take the vaccine?

Because it's quite clear that under our current shiteshow of a government, that it will be basically a condition of a return to normality.

No vaccine, no play.

 

It's not really mutations. Viruses do mutate but not nearly as often as people believe. It's just that there are several strains of flu virus. There is a best guess made (it's much more scientific than that) about which strain will be dominant that year. The flu vaccine is tailored to that each year. Often, they get it right, the vaccine works and although we have a flu season, it's restricted. Sometimes they get it wrong, and they invest in a vaccine with poor efficacy, and the flu season is pretty brutal.

Covid-19 will burn itself out in this next year. With the amount of investment, I'm sure a number of vaccines will be produced, although they'll not reach the public until the burnout has occurred. However, it will never go away. It will become one of the respiratory infections that rears its head in flu season. Some years it will be the prevalent virus, often it won't. It's not that virulent, it affects younger/healthier people far less seriously than most Influenza viruses, and the Covid-19 vaccine will become part of the flu shot.

In an ideal world.

In this one, I don't know. Too many politicians are making too much money from pharmaceutical companies for me to believe that we'll get through this without serious civil unrest. Personally, I'm ready now.

 

It won't happen. They may try to force vaccinations but there will be such a large amount of people refusing to comply that they would be forced to abandon such Draconian restrictions.

As for the time period I'm not entirely sure but it certainly wouldn't be any time soon. I'll take any fully tested vaccination but no way am I taking a largely untested vaccination for a virus that I've got such a small chance of falling seriously ill from

 

Have you read this BBS this year? People want it. It's a conformity experiment and it's clear that most people just want to be fk*ced up the arse.

 

Which no matter the jurisdiction UK, EU or International law completely illegal.

 

What do you mean by burn itself out? I’ve heard that phrase a few times but I don’t understand how it burns itself out but doesn’t die out?

 

I wasn't asking that.

I was asking how long it would be before those against the idea would have the vaccine.

Is it a mandatory amount of days? After say 98892820 days it suddenly becomes safe? Or is it after a mandatory amount of people have been tested? After 9182000 successful vaccinations does it become ok? Or is it a bit of both?

 

Heard immunity isn't a hard ceiling you have to break through. The more people who have previously had the virus, the more people who have immunity, the fewer people who can pass it on, because they don't have it and can't get it.

Respiratory viruses die down during our summers. As barmy as Donald Trump is, sunlight and heat do control the virus, just not our bodies, but when it's out in the environment. When we move from winter into spring there will be fewer cases, and, like this year, it will drop off a cliff in the summer. And next flu season, we won't have nearly as many cases. There will be far fewer people susceptible to it and so it won't spread so virualintly. It won't go away, but it won't engulf us like it has this year. There were three pandemics in the last century (Spanish Flu, Asian Flu and Hong Kong Flu (we're nothing if not Xenophobic) that followed this exact path). We already know what will happen. This will happen. This is the cycle of a new virus. Fortunately this one isn't that bad.

But it's been exploited by people who can and have made so much money from it. It's not a conspiracy theory in that it doesn't exist. Of course it does. it's that the situation has been exploited. Situations are always exploited by Capitalists, but this time it's preyed on fear and took our freedom and been so successful. People are pawns, and that's all there is to it.

 

Brazil and Mexico (just two examples) have tropical and sub tropical climates yet have high covid mortality rates so it would appear unlikely that it 'rolls with the seasons'. I would subscribe to the theory that at some point it will become less potent though.

 

Every other respiratory Infection where the pathogen is a virus does. Flu season is the winter and always has been. We only have one year to judge this virus. Infection rate fell off a cliff in the summer and returned when the weather got colder. Admittedly, one year is nowhere near long enough to accurately assess the situation, but as it followed exactly the same path as all other respiratory infections, making those assumptions isn't that wild. We'll see, of course, but what I've said will, without doubt, be proved correct. Apologies if that sounds arrogant, but I'm not repeating my personal theories, I'm repeating what actual scientists actually know.

 

Its a good question.

Regardless there has been work on Corona Virus vaccines previously one of the sticking points that the scientists couldnt resolve the fact they reacted to vaccine and caused issues with inflammation and the immune system.

The technology used in both the recently announced vaccines both use the same technology. Not previously used in humans and currently between them have less than 12 months research development and testing.

The effectiveness is also in doubt given the small percentage of people who actually had the virus and the vaccine from both trials.

Only short term side effects have been provided some of which would appear "generally short lived" but there isnt much further information around these who then general terms. And some of them are developer specific questions eg have you had a dead arm.

Nothing with regards to how long the side effects last, is it a very short term issue, days, weeks etc.

Nothing about medium to longer term issues or what these could potentially be.

The control case studies for Pfizer part 2 isnt due out until summer 2021 and the final case study December 2022.

Not forgetting that the vaccine companies are totally indemnified against any side effects causing long term health issues.

Its a giant big red warning light. Especially given you as more likely to die from the actual vaccine statistically than Covid unless you are classed as extremely vulnerable.

And how much stock got sold on the announcement date...

So ideally Id be looking at two years with under 2% with long term issues be it fatigue, fertility issues etc.

 

Brazil has the population three times that of the UK has three times the "covid deaths"

Mexico is twice the population of the UK and has twice the "covid deaths"

Both countries we can agree have compared to the UK larges areas of deprivation, substandard cramped housing, poor amenities including those that affect day to day hygiene eg sewers and when compared to the NHS a lower standard of medical care...

 

No, the flu virus most certainly does mutate enough over the course of the year, that's why they change it. The different "strains" are the slight mutations.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/viruses/change.htm

 

I think 5 years would suffice. If there is still a real threat posed by Covid-19 after that time and no significant evidence of adverse reactions I would probably consider having it.