Compulsory vaccinations

I’m losing my ******* mind.

You’ve argued for 9 months against doing just that.

 

It is odd that it reads to be a fixed amount, and certainly a fixed top end. And yes, if only we'd taken this as seriously, and as early as New Zealand did. One thing you can't fix with a vaccine is incompetent Government.

But it's not surprising that a pharma company will seek indemnity for something that is about to be administered to twenty million people.

 

Do you believe the government wants to impose these rules? What do they have to gain?
No idea. It's certainly not improved the situation with regards to public health, has it? I think even lockdown extremists will agree that the lockdowns have not worked at all. So I don't know. It's utterly pointless. And that's why some of these wild conspiracy theorists have taken a root - because there's zero logical or scientific explanation for what has taken place - so people have understandably looked elsewhere to try and explain it.

Why does the most Libertarian Prime Minister in recent memory want to do that?
Come on, this is no time for jokes.

Do you really think these restrictions are permanent?
100% mate. Absolutely, without doubt. There are literally zero examples in history, other than arguably South Africa 1990-93 (although they were acting under extreme international pressure) where any Government has voluntarily relinquished or ceded its levels of power. Did you not see Van Tam yesterday? He was utterly clear that the expectation is for masks and social distancing permanently. There wasn't even a public outcry. It's gone mate. You'll never sit in 18,000 at Oakwell again.

 

Eh I think it's pretty obvious that mass testing is a better and safer way back to normality than pumping billions around the world with vaccines that haven't been tested long term.

 

Van Tam didn't say that at all and he later clarified it. He said some of the practices we have now may be worth keeping in future during outbreaks etc. such as masks and sanitiser. Hes bound to say that in his profession if the evidence suggests it helps reduce transmissions.

Utterly bonkers but if that's what you believe, fair enough. It makes no financial sense whatsoever for them to have a world like you think will become the norm.

 

[QUOTE="Tyketical Masterstroke, post: 2602699,
. And that's why some of these wild conspiracy theorists have taken a root

Major irony alert!.

 

It makes no financial or public health sense to do what they've done for the last 9 months. What is it about the administration of a vaccine that you think will turn those behaviours around?

 

Van Tam said he thought some habits would stick, like they have in Asian countries that suffered through epidemics in the past. And what would be wrong with that? What's wrong with giving people a bit of space in a queue, working flexible hours to avoid packed public transport, working from home if you can especially if you've got a cold or flu etc..?

 

On that last point I do not believe you are close to being right. Surely you can see that even if you don’t agree that these restrictions are as a result of extraneous circumstances and there’s 0 mandate for them to be permanent?

I did see the press conference yesterday and perhaps I’m just not sceptical enough but I saw a scientist merely pointing out that wearing masks will assist during a ‘regular’ flu season. That’s true, they’ve done it in Asia for years. I don’t think for a second it’ll be enforced or required or anything though, with the exception maybe of extreme flu seasons.

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that. I'm already going to win a bet with @Rosco that we'll still have masks this Summer.

 

If that is the case then why has the entire world done similar to varying degrees, do you think that there is a global conspiracy? If you do, own it and stop dancing around the edges!

A vaccine will hopefully in time get us back to normal. Hopefully by Easter IMO once it has been cascaded down. Deaths should plummet if it is as effective as they believe. However the more the likes of DB spouting stuff from questionable sources or stuff that they don't read properly, the less the uptake... we've been here before with MMR scaremongering.

 

It was obvious back in March that the restrictions were long term. I think back then I predicted on and off for a year or so.

The government made matters infinitely worse by trying to undermine their own restrictions at all turns, while spouting BS about how long it would be for.

They've handled the entire situation abysmally, I think no matter what you think of the restrictions we can all agree with that.

 

Andrew Wakefield was struck over by the BMC over the MMR scaremongering, but has since found a lucrative career going around poorer (mainly black and Hispanic) communities in the USA promoting the anti-vax rhetoric. This has lead to a rise in cases of measles, mumps and rubella in these communities and an increase in childhood deaths.

 

I think you're probably right. I think masks will stop being the norm around next June/July time (I think things like pubs/bars back to full normality and sporting events will come back fully in March/April) I don't personally see why that's a problem though. Does a mask really impact your life so greatly?

 

Like many bad salespeople, they've oversold and underdelivered. If Johnson had come out in early March and said "We are likely to have varying degrees of restrictions for the rest of 2020 and all of 2021", we'd all have been cheering if it was over by Easter 2021. But he came out and said "it'll be over in weeks".

 

Exactly this.

One of the medical officers said right at the start, it would be a case of imposing and easing restrictions for about 18 months. Unfortunately Johnson would then say we'd "beat the virus" in 12 weeks. I assume, because he's an idiot.

 

Very good reasoning

 

Given the positive effects of handwashing, social distancing and mask-wearing on airborne viruses like flu I suspect that *voluntary* mask wearing, etc in winter months will be prevalent among a majority of the population for the next few years at least.

 

I'm not sure there is a 'global conspiracy' but there is certainly a concerted international initiative to 'Build back better' which suggests that the Covid-19 response is not being conceived on purely a national level.