Compulsory vaccinations

As someone who is physically healthy, has no significant underlying health conditions and is in a fairly young age group then the virus and disease poses an extremely low threat to me. That not arrogance or selfishness it's just a fact.
As someone who is on medication (for a none serious thing) the risk to my health from a vaccination which the UK government has stated clearly has not been tested for how it reacts with other medications the risk to my immediate health is unknown is it not? The risk to my long term health is also unknown.


If you are in a vulnerable group it's a no brainer, if you are so worried of dying from it then it's a no brainer. If you are physically healthy and especially if you are of child bearing age (or below) then nobody should criticise you for using your brain and saying no ta, not till you finish your checks.

People say it hasn't been rushed, it has. It's been rushed for obvious reasons. It it's still been rushed and is being rolled out before clinical trials have been able to test in many situations.

Pfizer have said they didn't know it can cause an allergic reaction because their limited trials didn't show that. Reality shows that on day one it has done exactly that. Now I have no idea if it's normal for a vaccine to cause allergic reactions, I suspect it is, but the fact that they were sure it couldn't when it can has to make you stop and realise this isn't fully tested.

 

How many has it killed who are SuperTyke's age without health implications?

 

SuperTyke has health implications that mean he is on long-term medication by his own admittance. They might not be serious, but to most people their medical conditions aren't immediately life-threatening yet increase their chances of death from other causes. Most Covid victims weren't going to just drop dead tomorrow, and the average person in the UK who died was expected to live another 10 years even with any ongoing health issues they've got.

If we want to stop Covid, we need *at least* 70% of the population to be vaccinated to protect those that can't be. A better figure would be upwards of 85-90%. You can decide that the risks of the vaccine are worse than Covid and the responses, but you can't refuse to have a vaccine then continue to complain about the measures taken to stop the pandemic in this or other countries. This is the measure that would allow us to open the country up fully and protect those that need protection - something he has been arguing strongly for, for several months.

 

I've actually just tried to find out that information and was astonished to read that the office for national statistics replied to a freedom of information request regarding this a couple of weeks ago saying they have not recorded that information since June and won't be doing do.

The person's request was this:
Of the 46K or so Covid related deaths so far in UK may I please be told:
(a) How many of those deaths had on the death certificate that Covid was the only cause of death
(b) How many of the 46K or so deaths were in each of the brackets namely 0-20 years old, 21-40 years old, 41-60 years old, 61-80 years old, and finally, over 80


The response was (edited to cut out the waffle)
We have been producing the following publication between March and June 2020.
We are no longer publishing monthly: Deaths involving COVID-19, England and Wales. This is due to the decrease in the number of COVID-19 related deaths. Therefore, we are unable to provide you with COVID deaths with no underlying for July to November 2020.


They are no longer publishing it and no longer have the data available? What? How can this be such important data and yet since July they simply haven't collected the data?

 

Hang on I haven't said long term anywhere and haven't said what for. For all you know I might be on anti depressants for mental health problems caused by lockdown and to the best of my knowledge being depressed doesn't cause you to die of covid.

In actual fact I hurt my elbow at work a few weeks ago and am on anti inflammatory medication for that which I bloody hope isn't long term.

 

Its hidden on the NHS dashboards somewhere.

Anyway, under 40 - there has been 350 deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test.

 

What are you defining the average person as given that 1 - 85-90% of those who have died with Covid are 60 plus. 2 - The median age of death with Covid is 82.4 years. 3 The median age of death in the UK is 81.5 years.

 

In what way has that answered my post in the slightest? If you're not going to, don't bother quoting it.

 

We best tie Supertyke down and shoot him up with the vaccine then, it's the only thing that could save him.

 

Where are you getting the notion that they aren’t providing deaths by age group?

A quick search of the ONS data shows it.

There also a link to download all the data so you can manipulate it at will.

 

Deaths by age group with no underlying health concerns is the bit that i believe the ONS stated in the FOI request that they do not have.

 

Dr Hilary Jones was having a rant about the result as he wasn't happy the take up was so low. As with other doctors he's used how safe other things are that have passed safety tests in the past. But this isn't like pumping your body with the MMR jab or morphine if you're in pain. They can't know for sure long term problems and that's not just related to your organs but over time will some people find it harder to become a parent, have worsening eye sight, become impotent, lose their hair and many other things that haven't been proven as of yet and cannot be.

 

Nod , Nod, wink, wink say no more. Highest number of new Covid cases have been recorded
in London, yet it still resides in Tier 2.

 

You are stating as fact that people will lose their hair, will lose their eyesight, will become impotent and will become infertile. This is fake news and scaremongering.

It is a strong enough warning to say they do not know that these things won't happen, you don't need to outright lie and say they WILL happen. You don't know that they will

 

Nobody is changing tier until 16th though arent they?

So, if they are not in tier 3 then, at that point I would agree with your nod/wink

 

I hope that's not true that care staff are being forced to take it.

 

Doubt they will lose their jobs, there's a chronic shortage of carers. However if I was a care home owner and all other things being equal one had been vaccinated and one hadnt, then I know who'd get the job.

 

But if all the elderly in the care home have had it they should all then be safe so it shouldn't matter if staff have had it or not.

 

True. Mind you I would nt want staff off with COVID, and then others having to self isolate as cover would be hard to get.

 

That's why women shouldn't be allowed jobs, they'll be off getting pregnant.

How's my prejudice stacking up to yours?