UK government vaccination logic

Can you stop with the ridiculing of extremely clinically vulnerable people? I understand you are pissed off that you think (probably correctly) that one demographic has been protected and lots of people have been almost completely abandoned but that’s the government’s fault, not theirs. The people you keep directing your ire towards are not making policies and theirs lives are genuinely at risk. You are always ‘we can’t get Mavis up at 3am once’ this and ‘Doris can’t be trusted to self isolate’ that. I have nothing against your alternative solutions, even if I don’t always agree with them, but you don’t need to keep taking piss out of people whose lives are at risk and keep mocking them with the elderly names and acting like they are pathetic and/or stupid.

 

******* hell, they've got to get it past the Hitler's that occupy the receptions in doctors surgeries first...

"I've got the vaccines on the truck luv"
"Have you got an appointment"
"Eh?"
"I'm afraid we're busy but l can get you in for March whats wrong with you?"

 

You make it sound like it's a deliberate thing, rather than the limitations of logistics and infrastructure.

 

That's true. I work with people who are extremely clinically vulnerarable. One is type 1 diabetic and from a BAME background. She works around 50 hours a week in a hugely demanding environment. So no, not frail, pathetic or stupid but a fine hard-working citizen.

 

Well the euphoria of the vaccines worn off,back to the moaning of the experts with the crystal balls and magic wands.

 

It will be interesting to see how many of the anti vaccers reject taking it. I'm sure there will be multiple polls going, but the last one I saw suggested approximately 42% would refuse to have it. From what I've read in passing, such a figure is too low for herd immunity.

 

Oh yes. The logistics and infrastructure limitations I'm referring to will mostly be due to gross underfunding.

 

Are the vsccinations free in the USA?

 

Yes

 

I know pollsters get a rough press, but generally there is a 95% confidence interval and it will be based on nat rep, so I don't think that polling will be too far out (usual margin of error is +/- 3%). Whether their anti vaccs sentiment weakens as more sensible messaging is heard and they see others have it, we'll have to see. But it's still a very worrying statistic, and similar polls here are suggesting 1 in 5 have similar sentiment here. Worrying, but not surprising.

As for the logistics. I'd seen there was production in Michigan, so an internal market will hugely assist it's distribution. I don't know if it panned out, but did Trump get his way with blocking production for any other countries? I know he tried to order as much of every vaccine he could to stop other countries getting it first, and with US production, I'd assume that would be easier to do that from the Belgium plant.

 

The population will be national representation (weighted), so it should have the full US demographic, not just a tight subset. I'd also hope it should be approx 2,000 respondents.

It's not the early part of vaccination where success will start to be seen. And if US hog all the vaccine (a pity, but not surprising at all) and other countries are left behind, it doesn't really assist too much if international movement is encouraged, especially as we don't seem to know if the virus is still passed by someone vaccinated or how long the immunity lasts.

Lots of ifs and buts, but at least a grown up will be in place going forward.

 

He'll be Owd Sam himself one day...

 

It’s not even just old people though. There’s 8 extremely clinically vulnerable people at my work and they range from 20s-60s. I have no idea what health condition 6 of them have as it’s nothing visible and I would have had no idea they had anything if it wasn’t for this. I’ve not heard any of them moaning or asking anyone to do anything on their behalf. They shield when the government tells them to and come to work now it’s ended as they can’t work from home. They put their life at risk every day to keep schools open and children educated despite the numerous cases we get notified of in school every week and then I come on here to read about how they can’t be trusted or that they are selfish. My mam hasn’t left the house in 9 months and has never called for any restrictions for others, she just gets on with it all whilst my dad has to go to work everyday and could bring it home at any time but, again, apparently she can’t be trusted or is being selfish. My mother in law hasn’t left the house in 9 months, has just lost her job in a care home because of it and has 2 grandkids who live with her who go to a large secondary school every day who might bring it home but, of course, she can’t be trusted and is selfish. It’s starting to really pee me off.

 

My wife is one of those classed as clinically vulnerable, she's 39, and likewise, you wouldn't visibly know she was in that group.

 

I bet she’d love it if you started calling her Mavis and Doris from now on. Go on... I dare you!

 

You know.... I think I might accidentally forget to do such a thing. 9 months of being in the same house every day all day. I think calling her such a name might be a camels straw!

 

My 91 year old mum has also not been out (other than a 100m walk from her front door and back) for 9 months. She'd be horrified to read some of the stuff on here. She's called Doreen, so add that name to the list