Meanwhile... There's a new Tier 4

Oh I’m so terribly sorry. TBH it’s most unlike me.

 

Not allowed to mix with so many households are we.
My mother and my sister is it for me.

 

Definitely!!

 

I've never slagged anybody off for doing whatever they can within the law - I employ an accountant to do the same for my company (although obviously at a completely different level). I'd be very surprised if there's a company out there that doesn't.

What I have regularly said is that some of those rules should be changed.

 

Does your uncle not have a bubble as he lives alone? No one should be alone unless they have to shield for safety and then it’s horrible but understandable. Even if he didn’t have a bubble already he can join one at any time if he feels safe to do so. He could join yours and have Christmas with you and it wouldn’t count towards the 3 households as he’d be classed as belonging to yours.

 

He is in the extremely vulnerable category and should really be shielding but hasn't been fully shielding as he knows he's not got long left (NHS restrictions meant his treatment was halted back in march which reduces his estimated life expectancy quite significantly) so he's been out and about whilst taking care as he says he'd rather die a few months early of covid than life a few months extra alone.

He has a bubble but for reasons I lost track of they won't be able to spend Christmas day with him and because I work I don't feel comfortable adding him as my bubble even though I technically could I think.

 

that's awful. I'd ask him what he would like to do? If he doesn't want to spend what may be his last christmas alone then to deny him that is inhumane

 

I agree. I'll contact him and see what he has to say because to be honest he deserves a bit of happiness. To say he is a good person would be an understatement, he's the only person I know who makes biglil look like Adolf Hitler

 

Awful to hear that, some of the stories I've read of people who had treating cancelled/delayed is heartbreaking, must be awful on a personal level. I think you have it right and should just respect his wishes whatever they are, hope you find a solution that works for you.

 

Meanwhile.....

 

@DEETEE No you're mistaken here. If you get smashed over the head, get stabbed or shot or strangled and die within 28 days of testing positive then the death does not go down as a covid statistic. These deaths are caused by trauma.
However if someone dies from heart failure within 28 days of testing positive for covid then it may well have been a contributing factor, it very well may not. So that is a fair point.

 

It would still go down on the stars wouldn't it? I thought it was people who have died for any reason within 28 days of testing positive

 

That was my understanding, it may not go down as the main cause on the death certificate but would get counted in the Covid death numbers.

 

Stopped reading after Thick C*nts, tut tut

 

Nope. Its any death within 28 days of a positive test is recorded as a "Covid death" even if Covid wasnt the driving force behind the fatality. So as per my example. Your demise by blunt force trauma even free of Covid still gets tallied.

Depending how it is recorded they can now go back 60 days.

At one point they recorded it as any death following a positive test regardless of time frame. So at the start of this, you could have Covid in March then die in a plane crash in May and it would be on the tallies. They had to revise the figures at one point. knocked about 7k off.

Only around 10% of the fatalities have actually been from Covid rather than attributed as with Covid alongside one or more comorbidities.

There was an MP this week who brought it to the house and suggested that rather than use the current criteria we should start carrying out post mortems again to determine a true cause of death.

 

There are a few metrics that are reported on, including the daily figure of people that die within 28 days of a test. Of course, they could’ve died of something completely different, but chances are that the vast majority of them died as a consequence of catching Covid.

Whatever way you look at it, when cases go up, an increase in hospitalisations and deaths follow.

 

I don't know. Is it logical that chances are they died of that when the vast majority of people who test positive for covid do so asymptomatic or with none serious symptoms? Isnt it logical that with so many none serious positive test results that there will be a relatively significant number meeting their unfortunate demise for unrelated reasons?

 

This is misinformation regarding the pandemic and therefore should be removed. It’s untrue. All the deaths you describe are counted in the statistics.

 

I don’t think the reality of the virus, and the need to avoid it spreading uncontrollably, should be up for debate.
The government’s response is another matter

 

I agree but I think the deliberate misreporting of deaths as covid deaths IS part of the governments response. I believe it is done I such a way to create a bigger fear of the virus and to make it easier to make people comply with restrictions