Meanwhile... There's a new Tier 4

The death certificate figure is higher than Boris and the BBC's figure.

 

No because those figures are even more ********. No test, just a guess. They've replaced flu and other respiratory deaths this year haven't they because pretty much nobody else has died of those this year.

How about the figures for those who have tested positive for covid AND have it on the death certificate?

 

The death certificate figure includes those who have died OF COVID-19 MORE than 28 days after a positive test. The ones who battle for ages in intensive care. The ones similar to Kate Garraway from GMB's husband who is still in intensive care after 9 months. You don't mention those because it doesn't suit your narrative.

 

No Flu deaths are down because of Masks and social distancing.
Also Covid infections are up because people aren't following the rules.
But because of the rules Flu deaths are down.
But Covid infections are......
Sorry I'm stick in some sort of loop!

 

Saved some lives at the cost of others? A case of the ends justify the means?

 

From what I understand a viral mutation doesn't necessarily equal a new viral strain. The virus could mutate (indeed it already has) but still be covered by the vaccine . A new strain would likely require a change in the vaccine.

They believe coronavirus is not as fast at mutating as say influenza meaning that they don't expect at the moment that the vaccine will need changing, but at some point it will do so.

 

Not sure I follow that...

 

Also this newly turbo COVID has been around since September but only took off last week, what was it doing for the last 3 months if it’s so contagious?

 

People keep saying Flu deaths and in general none Cpvid respiratory infections are down as a byproduct of Covid restrictions. Then on the other hand tell us people aren't following the rules and that's why Covid infections aren't coming down/going up. Surely they are mutually exclusive theories.

 

I don't think they necessarily are. One possible explanation is that there's baseline numbers for flu, as we have the figures from previous years, so we can see the reduction in cases (from last year) resulting from less contact between people.

We don't have any Covid numbers from last year to compare them against, we just compare it to previous weeks/months.

As a result flu numbers can be seen to be down, but that doesn't mean Covid, with a head start on the flu season and a different infection rate, can't have different values.

Additionally I'd guess more people have had a flu jab this year, this could also somewhat affect its spread.

 

All fair points I'm not saying they can't have different values or rates. Just pointing out the hypocrisy in any increase in Covid being blamed on the public, rather than the fact that it a virus doing what a virus does.

 

So are you saying we haven't got wards almost full to capacity with COVID patients?

Look. No lockdown, hospitals

More folk have had flu jabs this year, free to over 50s like
me!

 

So the measures have worked then? This is all I'm driving at on this one.

 

If figures as correct there's nearly as many in hospital now with Covid than at the original peak in April.

My Dad's in Pinderfields. He's got kidney issues as well as suspected kidney cancer.

A guy was brought into his ward (from elsewhere in the hospital) Friday night, then removed Saturday morning as he tested positive for Covid.

My Dad has IPF and a heart condition and was in the bed opposite him. Needless to say sat around waiting to see if he develops Covid on top of that is pretty ****, especially as we can't visit him. The guy didn't leave his bed so fingers crossed all OK.

Edit: they're now saying they might send him home, before Christmas, to my Mum who has COPD.

Christmas Dinner is the least of my worries tbh.

 

So, to sum up.

- every time ******** Johnson makes up something, those who wanted lockdown in April get their wish.

- you can catch Covid in a socially distant pub, but not in Aldi (where I made the mistake of going this morning and it was hell)

- the government has (in 72 hours) already worked out that the new strain is more contagious, less deadly, and that the vaccine will certainly be able to beat it.

- because London and the South East are in the *****, we all have to suffer the consequences (even areas where infections are coming down). Because god forbid them up north be under less restrictions than London.

- there seems to be around 75k excess deaths this year, seemingly all from gunshot wounds to the face or plane crashes. These 75k or so people just happened to have had Covid in the precious 28 days though.

- Jacob Rees Mogg thinks it's a disgrace that Unicef are feeding our starving kids.

- if you were pro lockdown earlier in the year then this is all your fault.

- if you've been anti lockdown all year, then you want all grannies to die.

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I think what we can all agree on is that this government have been an utter disgrace (whichever side of the Covid fence you sit on) and that we should never vote for them again.

Let's everyone do our best to keep those we love safe this Christmas, whilst seeing our friends and family in a safe manner (as restrictions allow).

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55385768

I honestly think the lying is going to cause a food shortage when combined with Brexit.

 

Without any scientific basis to what they were saying they announced to the world that we have a 'variant' of the virus that is 70% more transmissible. The rest of the world have gone "WTF? Well you can't come here then." And we've been isolated from the rest of the planet. A week before Brexit. What did they think would happen?

The only thing we actually know for certain is that some people with Covid-19 have been infected with a virus that has genetic mutations. That's what viruses do, they genetically mutate. Every living organism does, that's how they evolve, it just happens quicker in viruses as they reproduce so much quicker. The 'original' strain of the virus has genetic mutations. There will be many 'variants' of the virus that are not genetically identical. These genetic mutations may mean the virus is more transmissible, but at present we don't know. The scientists working in Cambridge on viruses with these mutations have said categorically they don't know. Apparently Hancock knows though.

 

Not as well as you'd have hoped but I can't really see an alternative?

 

He wasn't really getting at that. He's not happy with those who continue to blame the populace for the spread of the virus, claiming they are not sticking to the rules. Sticking to the rules has significantly lowered influenza infections. People are following the advice and it's demonstrable. Blaming other people is a red herring and entirely counter productive.

 

Jay has summed up my point as well as I could have hoped to do.