Anybody on here who voted Leave and then Tory...

well this would be the killer line...

If it wasn’t for the many countries that dealt with it so much better.

We have one of the worst mortality rates and the worst economic response.

It’s fair enough to say ‘it’s ****, and difficult to deal with’

But to ignore the fact that plenty of countries have handled it better is pure ignorance, wilful or otherwise.

 

Remember coming back from my night shift,things can only get better blaring out over the car radio, my wife was up waiting for me to get in,"he won", she said "Tony Blair", I was overjoyed thinking at last things might improve for working class folk and he did nothing,nothing at all, think thats when people thought if you cant beat them join them, in my heart I never really did, never voted TORIE,but Blair finished me off ever thinking society will be fair

 

You perhaps shouldn’t confuse Labour members with Labour voters. The Corbyn-supporting membership is up in arms over the way they perceive he has been ill-treated. The vast majority of potential Labour voters quite frankly don’t give a t*ss. I’m a Labour member who simply wishes the party to get back to the job of properly representing the people it is supposed to represent.

 

You have to influence these people in the middle ground. They’ve lost over 50,000 members since Starmer took over. That’s about 10%. They were all putting money in the pot. Theres unions that are unhappy with Starmer.

Without them how do they advertise? How do they get their message across?

Before the last election the Tories were everywhere with their ‘get Brexit done’ message. Whilst the Labour Party will never be able to match the billionaires that fund the Tories they need as much income as possible to challenge them.

They have to be successful with campaigning on social media as they’ve got no chance of getting a fair crack when it comes to the newspapers & TV channels.

 

And if you were unfortunate enough to need the long-term services of the NHS during the Major and Blair years you would certainly know how much things improved. And how they have deteriorated since 2010. And then there’s the GFA in Northern Ireland. But what did Labour ever do for us eh?

 

Really?
I find it remarkable when the day after the election many ‘experts’ suggested it’d take 2 or 3 elections before Labour were close to the Tories again.

And Brexit hasn’t bit yet, give it 6 months and see what the polls say.

 

I agree.

 

We’re all in that same boat.

In 2017 the Labour Party gained over 3.5 million voters from 2015. Many of them young who voted due to Corbyn’s manifesto.

In 2019 they then lost 2.6 million voters many of which switched due to Brexit.

Surely the Labour Party’s aim should be to welcome back the Brexit voters & to keep the young people voting for them? Why alienate either? There’s no reason to.

You say the vast majority but what’s that? 80%? If 20% won’t vote Labour because of Starmer’s treatment of Corbyn then logically they can’t win an election as there’s not enough swing voters.

 

Most sensible and human comm

 

It did in 2017. They gained 3.5 million voters. For me the big mistake the Labour Party is making or at least seem to be making is blaming Corbyn rather than it’s Brexit strategy for the last election results.

I’ve no doubt plenty didn’t like Corbyn but if you look at the seats which went from Labour to Tory they were virtually all areas that voted leave. I don’t believe that many of these areas would vote Tory again whether Corbyn, Starmer or whoever was in charge.

 

just read some facts and figures from 2007 report about health service and you are indeed right about NHS, it also said that the press wrote 75 percent negative stories about NHS to get Cameron in power,so writing this today as educated me in my bitterness against Blair,can not argue with TGFA also, pity no one can absolve him for Iraq
thanks for the education

 

err 'Maggie' ?

 

There always grows a huge lead post-GE as we wait for a new opposition leader. It was the case - in most recent examples - when Ed Milliband lost, and also when Michael Howard lost pre-Cameron. And then, after the new opposition leader is in place, the polls compact again, as we saw when Corbyn became leader and he closed the gap quickly and was regularly polling ahead of May. He was eight points ahead in late 2017 and Tony Blair made his famous "Labour should be 20 points ahead" speech.

So again, I find it laughable that Labour under Starmer (Blair's golden boy let's not forget) are not even ahead, despite all that has happened in 2020.

 

Folk who voted for Johnson and Brexit at the minute won't change their minds or views until buyers remorse sinks in. It won't be long, we're currently on the 1st course of a 6 course gourmet meal of pure sh*t.
It'll get to a point where a donkey could stand against him and the Tories wearing a Black Lives Matter rosette and the donkey would win a landslide.

 

Had Corbyn gone along with May and agreed some sort of pact he would still have got brexit through (his real preference), would have helped protect workers' rights, would have still been party leader and would have still been facing May rather than BS Boris. Instead he sunk May and gifted Johnson a 80 seat win the blonde wonder wouldn't have got but for brexit.

 

Would the Donkey be called Amos?

 

conor chapilns great great grandad riding him

 

Not very expert of them. Considering the polls always tighten over time. And to be fair, they weren't to know that COVID would occur a couple of months down the line. A disaster that has certainly made life easier for Starmer in that respect.

You are a clever bloke. Can you tell me what the plan is here, for Labour under Starmer? And should I - a staunch left-leaning, Corbyn-supporting member of the party - vote for him/Labour?