US Election

They need to catch up then; the states declared their electoral votes on Monday!

 

While this is true, they’re not counted officially until the 6th January. That’s when Congress can challenge a state’s electors. It needs a member of the house and also a member of the senate to challenge and then both chambers break and debate for up to 2 hours, followed by a vote. If both chambers agree it needs changing, they do so. There’s also a chance for a contested state where a state sends 2 sets of electors, one confirmed by the executive (state governor) and one by the legislative (state house/senate) - I think it depends state to state, however the governor is usually the one to certify I believe. That’s the case where it could essentially result in a hung decision, which if it’s deadlocked Pelosi gets sworn in on the 20th until a decision is made (which is exactly why there will not be deadlock, the GOP will do anything to ensure Pelosi isn’t elected president)

 

Why is he trying to cling on so desperately despite there being no justification - is it narcissism, worries about criminal action or a bit of both?

 

Both, plus the fact that the longer he keeps this going on the more money his cult followers give him.

$220 million so far.

 

From what I understand of the process, the Dems majority in the house means there’s zero chance of Biden not being confirmed.

the option of Marshal law was swiftly removed when the head of the joint chiefs announced that their duty was to uphold the constitution not any leader.

don’t know what the other options are, but it’s not looking like there’s much chance for the orange one since the courts shut him out.

 

He's worried about @casualtyke losing credibility on here.

 

he's no wired up right , simple as that and its probable that in his entire life he's never been told no.

 

Apparently, President Lame-Duck discussed imposing martial law on Friday but that was too barmy even for the space cadets that surround him.

 

Thankfully, my partner has managed to shake off the Covid Pneumonia. She is still not well with on-going heart problems but at least they have let her out of hospital and she looks like being home for Christmas. Thanks to those of you who passed on your best wishes last week.

It certainly looks like this thread took a severe (but expected) nose-dive in my absence!

I'm still saying Trump for next President by the way so I'm not ready to admit defeat on that bet yet @Marc. I suspect it will get resolved one way or the other on 6th January 2021 but, if not, definitely by 20th January 2021 (Inauguration Day) at the latest and whichever of our respective charities wins will still be grateful for the donation, I'm sure.

 

Go on then, what is Trump's path from here? Considering getting it overturned in the courts hasn't worked. The two options on the 6th right now are Biden victory or deadlock. Deadlock means it's Pelosi until the deadlock is resolved.

 

I agree! Level above Trump but a scary proposition none the less.

I think the GOP will do everything in their power to stop her becoming president, even temporarily, so I can’t see there being a deadlock. Plus I’d expect people like Romney and Collins to vote against Trump’s BS, along with others I’m sure. The worrying thing for the republicans right now is that there seems to be a fracture happening. I know the sentiment online is different to in person but there’s a fair bit of feeling online that they haven’t done enough to back Trump with many threatening to never vote for them again. Could be an interesting time in the US - I could see there being 4 parties fairly soon. Progressives, Democrats, Republicans, Trumpians.

Lindsay Graham in 2016: “if we elect Donald Trump, it will destroy us. And we will deserve it”. They all knew it would happen, even back then.

 

Very interesting. I think Cruz or DeSantis have a good chance personally, or maybe Nikki Haley. I think Romney might try and go for it again too, but Trump’s base will reject him right now. Will have to see how long their memories are. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Haley vs Harris, although to be honest I don’t think the dems would choose Harris in a primary. Her best chance is for Biden to not see out his term and the dems to not go against her in the primaries, but again I wouldn’t call it likely. A lot of talk about AOC going for the dem candidacy but it’s FAR too early for her in 2024 and I think a lot of people acknowledge that. Bernie will probably be too old, too. Could be very interesting in 2024.

 

Highest voter turnout since 1900 in the middle of a pandemic. I don't see how the voting process wasn't handled well. Trump's utterly baseless claims don't alter that, in my view.

 

A jellyfish has more spine than Ted Cruz. He called Trump out as a pathological liar and narcissist prior to the 2016 election but then crawled up his arse afterwards. He's pathetic.

 

AOC is a very decisive figure, a lot of people love her and a lot despise her. Much like Trump I suppose.

I don’t think Trump has a chance in the primaries to be honest in 2024, no matter who he’s against. Could be wrong but I think a lot of the “give him a chance, how bad could he be” republicans won’t vote for him against a different Republican again. The people you like to mention that don’t vote for Trump, but vote for republicans. My early prediction is that he loses the primary and runs as a third party candidate. Although I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised to see him get charged in the next 4 years, but that doesn’t stop him running I suppose. He’ll never see the inside of a jail cell unfortunately.

I have no idea on the Dem side, as you say Harris has a shady past as a prosecutor and AG. I suppose if she does a good job if/when Biden steps down she has a decent chance. But nobody else sticks out as an obvious candidate at present. I know a lot of people that would love Michelle Obama to run. Hell, I know a Trump voter that is desperate for her to run. (She’s an Obama > Obama > Trump > Trump voter), but I don’t think she will run