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  1. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    I believe he was for defunding the police personally. Like he was for the closure of fracking and the 1 million jobs across PA and Texas associated with it. Although to be honest, I'm honestly not sure he knows what he's been sent out to say sometimes (not that Trump is any better mind).
     
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    You literally said ‘I’m against minimum wage (in the US)’ in your list. It was only when someone asked you about it that you started talking about the service industry.
     
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  3. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Just have to disagree on that one. It's an opinion I and a majority of others have that has nothing to do with politics and I don't like the fact it's considered political.
     
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    Everything is political. Funding/defunding of the police are both political viewpoints.
    So would you say defunding the police was political?
     
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  5. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    I'm against it as a blanket increase across all jobs, which is still the case. Someone then replied to a follow up post that was that explanation, suggesting I was inferring that all the industries listed shouldn't get an increase to their minimum wage. Something I never said.
     
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    Please compare that comment to Biden's public statements on the matter. At this rate Ben, you'll be telling us tomorrow is Saturday!:)
     
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  7. Loko the Tyke

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    Not in my eyes when you link it back to you suggesting it was obvious I would vote Republican just because I don't believe the police should be defunded.

    If I have a conversation with someone in the pub and we talked about cutting the police budget in the UK I wouldn't think about politics at all, in terms of allegiances to any party, if we both agreed that they shouldn't be.
     
    Loko the Tyke, Dec 22, 2020
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    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Funnily enough, no word of a lie, I just said it feels like Friday night. So get ready .........
     
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    The whole thing is absolutely insane. Biden's got a long history in the senate which demonstrates that he's been repeatedly in favour of giving the police more powers and money. Kamala Harris was a state attorney-general. The entire reason the left didn't and doesn't like these people as candidates is that they see them as centrist authoritarians. Given the blind choice between Joe Biden and a random person off the street, anyone who really believes in defunding the police would probably go for the other guy.
     
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    Game over! Where's Casual Tyke!:)
     
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    But Biden isn't deciding policies. It's the party. When you've got AOC, who gets a lot of media time, and others basically campaigning for it, it becomes a Biden policy because he doesn't outright say it won't happen. He hinted at it, but he wouldn't stop it if the Democrats underneath him wanted it to happen.
     
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    Probably just logging out of one account and into the other any second now...
     
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    Great, So is Biden. In fact so are most people. And nobody wants to defund the police in the way your conservative media is telling you they do. I've had so many arguments with my leftie friends about how damaging this slogan is, along with ACAB. As for defunding the police, it's not about getting rid of laws, it's about redistributing the frankly ridiculous budgets that police forces get over there. Police forces do not need things like tanks, military weapons, other paramilitary vehicles etc. Police should not be the sole responders to 911 calls that deal with mental health. They are untrained for such activities and they are heavy handed, which escalates the situation significantly. It's about redistributing that money into mental health or drug response teams. "defund the police" ignores all the nuance behind the position completely and gave conservatives something to jump on and go "look how radical they are" which obviously you and/or the people you speak to have bought into.

    Not sure why this affects a presidential election decision. Biden has constantly ruled out a national lockdown.

    For jobs? Does that mean for employers or for workers? If you're for employers, Trump away. If you're for workers, not sure why you'd support Republicans.

    This is a complex topic of course. To be honest I can see where you're coming from on that, what's good for California is not going to work very well in flyover states.

    All Americans are immigrants, remember that. I suppose you support the ridiculous 'wall' Trump is building too. 'Mexico is going to pay for it' went out of the window pretty fast and it looks more like a fence now, but hey at least he's wasting money in a visible way. Shame that the % of illegal immigration that happens over the border like that is so small it's barely worth mentioning, but at least it makes a good rally when you can point at something physical.

    Ah, you've answered my previous question here it seems. Pro employers, not pro workers. Trickle down economics. Except there's barely even a trickle these days.

    Do you believe prison is about rehabilitation or about punishment? If it's about rehabilitation, there are far better methods for non-violent criminals. Obviously I'm in no way suggesting that prisons should be abolished, they are very necessary, especially for violent criminals and they do serve as a good short term rehabilitation tool for some people. But there are far better programs for a lot of crimes.

    Will be nice then to have a president that takes bounties on US soldiers heads seriously, that doesn't call captured soldiers losers, that doesn't implement policies discriminating against who is allowed to enter the services?
     
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    I’m here with my popcorn feeling sympathy for Loko and laughing at the rest of you tools
     
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    And there it is.

    The account switchover complete...
     
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    Well then by the same token I can take the likes of Ted Cruz and Marjorie Taylor Greene and say that a vote for Trump is a vote for the nonsense that they put forward. Joe Biden was the most right-wing candidate that the Democrats had, and they still managed to manoeuvre him in. They did exactly the same thing last time round with Clinton. If the Republicans had managed to kick Trump out and put forward someone like McCain then you might have a point here, but as it is I'm just not buying it. The Democratic party machine is well to the right of the likes of AOC and her set - just look at Pelosi.
     
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  17. Loko the Tyke

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    You can absolutely take the likes of Cruz. I always say it's as bad on both sides, it's usually my main point when someone makes an aggressive one sided opinion.

    Pelosi has been slated by the centre Democrats for potentially causing them the senate and supporting some of the messages coming from AOC and her set. Biden would have won by an even greater margin if the airtime wasn't given to that set and focused more on him being a more moderate Democrat. It turned the middle voters off, but thankfully for them not enough to cost the election.
     
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    Depends where you are. Off the beaten track, the service is generally excellent. New York on the other hand, is full of very shoddy service and snooty, entitled serving staff. I always tip around 20%, but there have been times in New York when I've really resented it. In fact, the whole tipping culture is just really stressful for Europeans. Even more so now when as a rule we hardly carry any cash with us.
     
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  19. Loko the Tyke

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    Biden's lead advisor said he would be advising for a 4 to 6 weeks national lockdown. Biden wouldn't rule out a national lockdown and would follow experts advice. He then backtracked and said he wouldn't seek a national lockdown based on the backlash those comments received, so apologies for being sceptical. Trump was very active about wanting to reopen the economy. I think that makes it a key voting mechanic doesn't it?

    Interesting that we can talk about media spin because it's against your viewpoint. I don't disagree with much in this comment, I just don't think Biden was decisively against that slogan. I can only give you my interpretation.

    Is it allowed to be both? There's many positive stats relating to jobs in the US over the last four years with claims that the jobs created in those four years being better long term for Americans in terms of the working class.

    Who mentioned a Wall? I can't remember the exact detail but the number of Visas that were being mooted, in terms of being issued to all illegal immigrants, was something like the 11 million mark and felt aggressive. There was also something around a priority list for that which I didn't agree with.

    In small business the owner is often the worker as well. The Dems in general have been more pro-lockdown and as a result businesses have packed up and closed. I don't personally see anything wrong with wanting the stock market to perform well or people's 401k to be in a more positive place. I assume that would happen better with a Republican government.

    I don't think you were actually disagreeing with me here. We'd probably agree. But the recent early release of convicted criminals didn't go well did it? Was it in California? Can't remember the percentage that reoffended but this was recently I think


    Military - basing my opinion on the minimal friends I know in the military and then friends of friends/family of friends knowing people who were being brought home

    It's interesting how the objective here appears to be to try and make out someone is 'bad' for thinking these things, despite them being perfectly reasonable. But as I keep repeating it's a prime example of why people just stay quiet. Feel like I've been put on trial in the last hour and I haven't said anything controversial in the slightest.
     
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    It really does. Especially in terms of Big City vs. Small Town.

    I think the service in general in the US has declined the last handful of years, but that might be to do with me spending so much time in California. When it comes to paying the bill I sign it and give it to my partner for her to fill in all the numbers. It's super stressful - especially in hotels with the bus boys and the valet when you don't ever have any cash.
     
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