Sounds like a Brexit deal has been agreed

Well it seems the usual brexit numpties in Parliament are up in arms about Johnson's deal. They want more time to scrutinise it. I think it demonstrates admirably that they are now desperately searching for something else to be arsey about. Being as polite as I can, roll on the time when the demographic changes and the younger generation embraces the positive aspects of collaboration and mutually beneficial arrangements.

 

Yep and at some future date we'll want to rejoin the EU and we will get offered worse terms than we had before...Unless of course the uplands get extremely sunny cos of global warming

 

Not holding my breath, KCP!

 

No dont do that too long or you'll pass out....

 

£157 a year is poor value for what it offers. Cut it to £30 and see what's left, then charge a subscription fee for those who want extra.

This is where somebody usually jumps in shouting "what about unbiased news", but by definition if you only rely upon the BBC for news it isn't unbiased.

According to the BBC, "Funding free TV licences for all over-75s would have cost the BBC £745m by 2021-22, it said, which would have led to the closures of BBC Two, BBC Four, the BBC News channel, BBC Scotland channel and Radio 5 Live, as well as a “number of local radio stations”. With 25.5m current licence payers, at just under thirty quid each you can fund all of the above, which seems like a reasonable service given people now have ever increasing choice of the media they consume. Given that, I do have to scratch my head at where the other £127.50 I pay goes, or how worthwhile it is. Even if they doubled that figure to £60 a year, that's still a hell of a lot better than what they offer at the moment.

 

As far as I'm aware the UK can rejoin at anytime , no questions asked . It would merely require a simple act of parliament to enact . The UK is too big an economy to go cap in hand to the EU pleading clemency . We ve left the building but still have the keys as it were . The problem is there's not enough political will to do so . I think people have had enough of being referred to in a derogatory manner to ever change their mind regards Europe and I doubt any group of politicians would risk bringing forwards legislation to rejoin without the blessing of the masses . I don't buy the " younger generations love the EU " narrative either . More wishful thinking if anything else . A great many people never voted but voted in the EU referendum but will never vote again . Expect this behaviour in subsequent generations which makes it virtually impossible to predict future political direction .

 

I'm not sure that it's wildly inaccurate or inept, but it's that kind of an answer I've had from others ( tbf not you in the past DWL) when I've supplied information from non partisan sources...Irish articles critical of Leo Varadkar and his stance around the backstop were dismissed as powder puff, obviously without evidence to back it up...I was then accused of being anti Irish, it seems that if the articles don't fit the narrative they must be dismissed regardless..even shooting the messenger is acceptable.
I've never quoted from the Mail or Express, generally it is bullsh** they spout, but so do the Guardian and Indy...both have predicted 100,000 plus job losses in the UK financial sector, the fact is a relatively small number of jobs have moved, I see no reason why Der Spiegel should be unaware of true figures...similar sentiments have been expressed other European papers...Paris picking up about 3,500...in reality the people that have moved have been replaced, according to the FT the City employs more people now than in 2016.

https://www.ft.com/content/0c7c2597-4afd-4ade-bc19-02c3bbc53daf

In fact Deutsche Bank ( amongst others) could be expected to be at the epicentre of the exodus have more UK staff than they've ever had.
One European publication said that London has more people employed in the City than the population of Frankfurt. ( I've never checked it )
The top and bottom of it is that, they can nibble round the edges but no single centre in Europe can handle the volumes of transactions, the capital needed, or the risks involved.

 

i can tell you first hand that the information in the public domain on banking and financial services job migration is inaccurate and large scale contingencies planned for relocations on the basis of no services deal.

I can tell you numerous law firms have moved people to the mainland and I can tell you accountancy firms have done so too (though more modestly as they expected a mirroring of qualification standards).

I don’t know why der spiegel are so inaccurate in their reporting, but whenever I see flagrant misreporting i do question their motives and always will.

 

Should the UK ever want to re join I doubt the EU would try and force Schengen / the euro onto the UK as that would pretty much kill negotiations . After 4 years of political bitterness regards Brexit in the UK it's easy to mirror that bitterness onto our European cousins and think that they would act in a similar manner but anything could be further from the truth . They d have us back in a heartbeat . The big debate now is not to remain but to rejoin , or what are the incentives to re join ? Until the pro EU lobby win that argument ( and using derogatory language towards leave voters has clearly failed ) then the current status quo will ensue . The option to rejoin will always be there it's more an issue of political will and how you persuade people .

 

Just heard Gove outlining a big benefit for businesses. If you’re a business that deals with the EU but not the ROW, learning how to do the paperwork for the EU will teach you how to do it for the ROW. Brilliant news all round.

 

This is a big thing for me - what do they actually expect?

During the build up to the referendum, I had numerous debates with friends and family in real life, and people on line. Each putting forward points and opinions on their voting intentions. Even 5 years ago, Brexiteers made mutterings about sovereignty, 350m to the NHS every week, taking our country back and fish without knowing what they were on about.

Then obviously we voted Leave. So you then try and debate with people, but you basically got "we won you lost lol". Things began to get a little frustrating. Upon asking why they voted Leave, it was to send Muslims back and be able to make our own laws.

Now, it's 5 years or so down the line and they still haven't a clue. 2 weeks ago it was "just walk away no deal. They need us more than we need them". Then Uncle Nobhead got his deal and it was "Well done Boris. We got the deal we wanted". Even after 5 years, most (not all, granted) haven't a clue what they voted for, haven't a clue how they will benefit and haven't a clue what this means moving forward. They mutter about sovereignty, fish and the like.

Brexiteers can be split into four sectors imo.

1. Wealthy people.
2. Selfish people.
3. Thick people.
4. Racist people.

You get an overlap with 1 and 2, and also 3 and 4. Also 1, 2 and 4.

So after 5 years, I've finally thought fck them. And I'll use all the derogatory terms that I want.

And I'll happily debate with anyone who can articulate why leaving the EU is a good thing, but until that day occurs, then fck them.

 

We’ll have to vote on that

 

Haha, why so bitter Fonzie? It’s ok saying you want a debate but when leavers give you their reasons for voting for Brexit all you get is the usual ‘you were lied to’ , ‘you’re racist’, where’s your evidence’. It just gets tiresome tbh. At the end of the day we can debate till we’re blue in the face, but what will it change? We’re leaving, end of. The best thing to do is see what happens in the next 12 months, brexit for me was never about an immediate change but over the years as a country I feel we’ll be better off out of the EU. So, next Xmas, let’s revisit it, if the shelves are empty, there’s anarchy on the streets, there’s mass queues at Dover and we’ve moved back to 1920’s standards I will hold my hand up and say I f.ucked up. Will you do the same if the country starts to prosper? We’ll see, but if you want to be derogatory about it, bring it on!! By the way, I run a business that employs someone who is BAME, and have in the past gone without, especially during the pandemic, to make sure my employees get paid so I am in neither of your 4 sectors.

 

We’ll have to vote on that

fck you

 

Your entitled to your opinion but to categorise brexiteers as you have completely misses my point as to why the remain argument lost so spectacularly . This will be the problem too when the re join debate enters full swing . How exactly do you persuade let's say a single mother from Hartlepool with a couple of kids struggling to make ends meet that the EU is good for them because ultimately it hasn't . Now you could categorise that said person as thick/ racist etc but by then you will have lost the argument anyway . I look at this way , the rise of Brexit / trump / le pen / 5 star / afd is merely a bye product of a winner takes all economy and until that is fixed then expect more of the same .

 

Exhibit A your honour.

 

Exhibit B.

 

Exhibit C.

Still no valid reasons for leaving from the 3 clowns who've replied.

Just a "we won you lost lol" and the equivalent of "some of my best friends are black" from one.

Hopefully we get 3 points tomorrow. I'll leave you winners to it from now on, you winners!