Oxford Astra Zeneca vaccine.

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    Mido Well-Known Member

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    Let’s just take anything Handcock says with a giant pinch of salt.
     
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    I shall start by saying I’m not a scientist or a believer of Matt Hancock.

    The UK population is around 68m with people aged 60 and over making up a fraction over 20% of the population and over 95% of deaths from COVID.

    That means if the vaccine is effective and stops deaths initially around 14m people need vaccination. Assuming that supplies are not the limiting factor and GPs can start on Monday with injections, 1m ramping up to 2m over the first couple of weeks, means the most vulnerable can get their first dose by the end of February.

    So we may have a torrid time for the next eight weeks but things should start to get better pretty quickly (lots of disclaimers and don’t blame me if it doesn’t)
     
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    Knew Ken as I worked in the trade at the time. think there was YMCA,Wombwell and Thurnscoe shops...even though I worked for a rival I bought all my Northern Soul gear from them....best of times
     
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    It seems that the limiting factor is likely to be supply. Aim is to distribute as soon as supplied. Not sure what the capacity to manufacture is?
     
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    I think in may they said they had started making it in case it worked.must be a Fukien slow procedure if they only have 500,000
     
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    Had the same conversation last night I thought there were millions of doses ready?

    India seem to have 50 million ready to go!
     
    selby, Dec 31, 2020
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    dreamboy3000, Dec 31, 2020
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    That's what I thought.

    It appears that by making it they meant mixing it together (or whatever they do) but nobody bothered to actually put any into usable vials.

    It's like claiming to have made 10,000 sausages when in reality all you've got is a swimming pool full of offal
     
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    I know folk might think this is a daft suggestion but sticking a needle in someone’s arm cannot be that difficult.I know you don,t just stick it in anywhere but surely the mess we are in they could just send em in the post and teach people how to use them after all they do with diabetes.
    That will get the whole country sorted as soon as possible.
     
    Redsnut, Dec 31, 2020
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    Diabetics is a ***** not an injection. You need to injection it into the right part of your body
     
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    We were talking about this at work today. They've known for as t least 6 months what's needed so why couldn't they train up 100,000 people JUST to give vaccinations?
     
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    Could get a few of the local undesirables to teach every one of even administer the injections :D :D
     
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    Donny Red, Dec 31, 2020
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    So now they're using a rushed vaccine in an untested form based on the suggestion of a war criminal.

    What could possibly go wrong
     
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    And why didn't they train them up before now so they are ready right now.
     
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    Even by our clowns in charge this is beyond outrageous
    Apart from the fact of the upset and distress it will cause to the elderly who had on dose and were expecting the second in the next couple of weeks. And the Costs an disruption to already overworked NHS workers in a holiday period. All of which are significant factors there is a fundamental problem here

    All the successful trials have been done with the 2 doses given with a short interval between them. This works
    The pharmaceutical companies have no data on what happens if you split the doses by 3 or more months

    What evidence do they have that this will work
    As far as I can see this is a political decision not a medical one and seems to be a desperate gamble rather than following the science.

    It seems politically more important to partly vaccinate the all the vulnerable in a way that’s still leaves them at significant risk and hope that a second jab months later works on those that are left.

    Where is the evidence this actually works?

    Forgive me if I don’t trust a government that has proved time and again to be incompetent and wrong in its handling of COVID to somehow be right this time

    Ps is someone gives their consent to be vaccinated against a certain tested criteria and then after the first part the government changes completely the rules isn’t that abusing the consent given
     
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    They train diabetics how to do the injections in person, not by sending it in the post and saying good luck!

    Also, as Helen says, insulin injections just go under the skin, not into a muscle. Most insulin injections are now done via a pen too, not with a vial and syringe like my mam used to do for 30+ years before they changed it so it’s a completely different procedure.
     
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    It has been tested, and people stopped listening to Blair a long time ago.
     
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    it hasn’t been tested with a 3 month gap between doses as far as I’ve seen. What efficacy does it give? how do they know? They could be wasting everyone’s time and every vaccine they have bought.
     
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    When was it tested with 3 months between vaccinations? The manufacturer advises against it
     
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