Something needs to change

If the lockdown strategy creates huge costs and doesn't help with Covid, it needs to be stopped whether or not there is anything else the Government should do.

 

'Lockdown' or to put it better, 'restricitons' of varying types do help with lockdown. They reduce transmissions and stop the spread of the virus. The notion that "it doesn't stop Covid" is just a strawman of an argument that nobody of any note has every suggested it would do. It goes back to saving lives now and protecting the NHS from being oveeburdened, which sadly it is now being once again and is missing from their narrative.

That basic premise is sound, although sadly this government is serially incompetent in their communications, timings and actions.

 

We can't say a lockdown strategy has failed or succeeded because we haven't had a lockdown. Social mixing has been constantly allowed.

There have been varying soft restrictions to try and stop people mixing to some degree. This has failed for a multitude of reasons.

 

True enough "restrictions" is a more accurate term. Despite how much I have argued against lockdown if its what's need then it needs doing properly.

 

Wales which had a month long firebreak in which at one point the cases kept rising, dropped slightly then have gone through the roof ?

It still has a lot of severe restrictions.

Its about hit peak.

Lockdowns just pressing pause in the hope that a vaccine or another way of doing things turns up.

Solves nothing.

 

To be fair, I haven't looked. I've spent most of the last 3 weeks in an internet free zone.

I'm suggesting that the current rate of vaccinations is too long for a *lot* of people - at current rates we are looking at a six-figure Covid death toll this year and the *average age* in ICUs now is 60 meaning a lot are younger still - and we have a whole load of people who we are already paying, are trained in the basics of battlefield medicine and are good at following instructions who we could use to save a significant amount of time. It is not beyond the whit of man to find 1 in every 6 in the army who could be trained up to vaccinate people - or alternately to provide logistics and other support to the ~3,500 members of the Army Medical Corps so that they can do the vaccinations. Its too late now for most that will die in January (they've already caught it!), but how many could we save if we could get everyone done by April?

 

They don't have the staff.

 

it goes beyond being able to apply a trauma pack in the field.

you are required to have multiple safeguarding qualifications, qualifications in vaccine handling and storage, data security knowledge and one of the biggest obstacles stopping retired medical staff is they are required to have a Level 1 certificate in. . . Preventing Radicalisation.

 

We have left it too long before going for a national lockdown every single time. If you know a hurricane is coming, you don't wait while it's blowing a gale to batten down the hatches.

 

Wales had a firebreak of 17 days, starting on the 23rd October and finishing on the 9th November. Additionally,

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Providing the vaccine continues to work then clearly it buys more time before people are vaccinated and get some protection.

It helps to keep people alive who would otherwise die and stops the NHS from being further stretched to the point where people can't get regular treatment. Im not sure why you think that qualifies as "nothing".

 

That part has been since been dropped (radicalisation) but not fire safety! - it was announced this morning. All members of the military already have security clearance, which covers the data security (as part of their work) and would also cover safeguarding (the army have recruits under the age of 18). So they would only need vaccine handing and storage.

 

Why do people keep on comparing an island of 60 million in the centre of Europe to a island in the middle of fckn nowhere with a few million people scattered widely over it?

 

#1. New Zealand is not an island, its an archipelago (as is the UK) - although most of the population live in 3 cities that are roughly the size of Manchester, Leeds and Sheffield.

#2. More people have died of Covid in my village than in Taiwan - an island nation in Asia with a densely packed population of around 25million people. More people have died in Brampton and Wombwell than in Vietnam - a densely populated country in Asia with around 96 million people and a massive land border with China.

 

Early intervention requires different staffing to emergency intervention

 

They're incompetent

 

Ok you win, all our top experts, epidemiologists and virologists etc are wrong. The job's yours, when can you start?

 

It's a good point. Societies that have more governmental control seem to be doing better. That includes some that are non democratic, but not all. We seem to engender a low level of respect for our leaders. One asks the question why they still keep electing wanqures like Johnson? Half the population are ignoring him, as he is clearly a complete toss pot.

 

You mean the government selected ones right? Not every scientist, expert or otherwise knowledgeable person agrees with them.

Answer me this. Am I wrong that supermarkets forcing the public to queue in food aisles will spread the virus and that ordering them to create safe queuing areas via the removal of a small section of none essential goods would lower the transmission rate within said supermarkets? Because as far as I'm aware nobody from sage has ever publicly suggested that despite it being absolute common sense.

You complain that nobody outs forward suggestions and actually said 'whats your plan?' knowing full well that you would dismiss anything said and mock me regardless of what I said. Pathetic mate

 

Not as easy as let's just batten down the hatches. There's more to take into account, a young generations education, peoples business going under, familys losing everything, pubs and restaurants that will never re open.... so alot more to consider before we lock down every 3 months.

 

My ex-army nephew agrees with the army being called in. He says he was trained to do injections on himself as well as colleagues in the field and to not utilise this vast asset of trained men in some capacity is a sacrilege.