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  1. Sco

    Scoff Well-Known Member

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    Do you generally hug random strangers in the street, or do you walk past them and let them go about their business?
    Do you generally hug random strangers in the pub? Because that is a little bit #metoo and you probably need to rethink your life choices.

    Yes, get close to your friends and family - but you'd mainly be doing that in the comfort of your own homes not necessarily in the middle of Tesco.
     
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    But you cannot protect everyone. At some point a choice and sacrifices need to be made.

    As for the 250k deaths, it started off at 500k of deaths for the first wave. This being March til July. The man behind the modelling has yet to be right on anything. His modelling and the reason behind it made no sense, had no variables and was ripped apart by his peers as being generally *****.
     
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    What is your alternative strategy? Let the devil take the hindmost? That person may be someone close to you.
     
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    Hope so but the NHS is close to breaking point most Winters and people die due to the soresd of respiratory infections every winter, would be rather hypocritical in one sense if we just go back to accepting that again.
     
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    I still think that's a different scenario.
     
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    Not for those dying on hospital beds in corridors every winter.
     
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    At some point yes the strategy of keeping everybody alive from Covid no matter what the cost needs to be revisited as the longer term effects are going to dwarf it. And yes I am well aware that it might be one of the nonagenarian's within my family. And so are they. They want to enjoy the time they have left however long theyve got with family and friends. Not confined to barracks.
     
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    I don't think that viruses know which building you're in do they?
     
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    If your loved one has to wait in a hospital corridor because it's at capacity as was the case in January 2015, 16, 17, 18 and 19 does it matter if they're doing that due to virus a b or c?
    If your loved one dies due to a virus that's spread through the community does it matter if that's due to virus a b or c?

    It seems to me that people seem to be giving the impression that they care more about deaths due to covid then they do about death due to all of the other reasons combined. That's actually nothing new, we've had the same attitude towards death from cancer for quite a few years now. If someone of any illness it's 'oh dear I'm sorry for your loss', if somebody dies from cancer it's 'oh my god oh my god I feel so sorry for you what a terrible disease this is awful its awful your poor person oh no how awful'. at the end of the day a person's dead does it matter if it's from cancer or from an incurable or condition? does it matter if it's from covid-19 or from influenza? the way I see it is the net result is, as blunt as it sounds, a body in the ground and a family grieving, another soul lost. At the end of the day is the title given to a virus or disease that took that life the important thing or is the loss of a life the important thing? if it's the latter why do we seem to care more depending on what goes on the death certificate?

    We accept and encourage a lockdown to prevent deaths from covid but I don't ever remember seeing anyone ask for one to prevent the influenza virus ripping through the community in winter. This virus has so far killed 90,000 people in just shy of a year. A few years ago around 30,000 died of influenza in just winter. If these 90,000 are preventable deaths and we should have locked down harder to prevent them then weren't those 30,000 also preventable? Won't the thousands next winter be preventable? How many is the acceptable cut off level of preventable deaths?
    I honestly feel that now Pandora's box has been well and truly opened you can't justify allowing people to die next year or the year after. How can you tell those grieving families that we didn't care enough to lockdown?
     

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