"Bend the rules people will die"

I believe that was really early on when as usual the experts guessed and got it wrong.

 

May well have been.

 

A review for the World Health Organization (WHO) of existing studies found that smoking is associated with more severe illness and increased risk of death in hospitalised Covid-19 patients, but found that there wasn’t enough evidence at that point to say whether smoking makes infection more likely.

Professor Ian Hall, Professor of Molecular Medicine at the University of Nottingham, adds: “The most likely explanation for smoking being a risk factor for Covid-19 is that people who smoke are more likely to develop chronic lung diseases and also cardiovascular disease, and therefore are more likely to have the conditions which are known to be associated with a poorer outcome from Covid-19.”

 

Tbh that does make sense.

 

So essentially no more likely to catch it and in itself not a increased risk, however due to likely damage smokers have done to their health a increased risk of Covid leading to severe complications.

 

Usually with viruses such as influenza smokers are more at risk of catching it as they touch their face and mouth a lot more than others do so that's why the part about catching it is included. It is an increased risk in itself though if you being symptomatic. A study of other 2million people in the UK found smokers were 14% more likely to report symptoms of covid-19 as opposed to being asymptomatic

 

I’m not drawing a line in the sand; I already told you that to do so is cun tish.

I’m slightly overweight, never spent a night in hospital in my entire life. Statistically I’ll probably die of a heart attack before I’m 80 and therefore save the taxpayer a fortune in care costs.

Also I sometimes break the speed limit, and if some numpty pulls into the outside lane on the motorway without looking, and I hit them, that’s gonna cost the taxpayer a quarter of a million quid before I get to hospital.

the genie is out of the bottle with smoking, I’d ban it tomorrow in a heartbeat - having watched my mum die of breast cancer I could go on.

 

So if you don't draw a line in the sand does that mean you would support enforced diets for people like yourself in order to lower the risk of death from covid like you support lockdowns?

 

It's a silly argument. We can reduce the impact of COVID relatively quickly by measures such as social distancing, hand washing etc. Reducing effects of obesity will take a lot longer. Of course people need to take better care of themselves (me included) but my being obese or smoking isn't going to immediately impact on someone's life in the way me passing COVID on could.

 

It is though. We were warned in the summer about being overweight and the need to lose weight. We also knew in the summer that winger was going to be the worst time. That's a long time to diet and lose weight which would have lowered the strain on the NHS now and saved lives. If you are overweight and end up in intensive care because of that it's a bed that someone else can't have and it's entirely preventable.

Again I'm not saying we should have enforced diets but it's all linked more than people care to admit because then they'd have to admit they're potentially part of the problem too and it's easier to point fingers at other people and blame them.

 

You are a tit!
Why don’t you read people’s posts, have a think about how life actually works rather than ‘reacting’ without thought?

 

Is that a yes or a no Mr aggressive?

 

You’re the one being aggressive, and utterly stupid too.
How does a government manage the weight of the population? Would you be happy for them to do those things?

 

Thung is what else is there to do in lockdown!? I'm blaming @Tyke_67 for reintroducing me to chocolate Hobnobs!!

 

Ah but doesn't that mean that lockdown is bad for people's health which in turn makes us less likely to be able to fight off covid-19?

 

Oh ST, you're like a dog with a bone!!

 

Mainly because I quite like your replies and the thought processes behind them so it's interesting to debate the points. I've said I don't actually think that enforced dieting is something that should be done (nor do I know how you'd do it) but I enjoy reading your replies to them and how your thinking and logic works as I do with most people on here with the exception of a certain person

 

Sorry Helen.

 

This has gone a bit far, but I don’t think it’s too much to ask for people to have the self respect and courtesy to the NHS to avoid obesity, if they are the ones insisting on draconian impingements upon other people’s basic freedoms and liberties to protect them and the NHS.

Basically, if you want to imprison me in my house and deny my kids the right to basic education to protect the NHS and you, then it seems a reasonable minimum principle to expect you to look after yourself a bit as a quid pro quo, does it not?

 

He didn't have to. There is no comparison between the uses of propaganda. Reaching for hyperbole does whatever argument you wish argument zero favours.

To be fair you said some pretty awful things about having 'no sympathy for people getting cancer if they had an untested vaccination'.