"Bend the rules people will die"

Or it could be construed that you're not willing to do anything to help the NHS out whether that's locking down, maintaining a sensible weight or only drinking alcohol infrequently, whilst some of us are prepared to do all three.

 

I think you are morally perfect and I can only aspire to your levels of virtue.

 

Except - wait a minute - by campaigning for closures of schools, you’ve actively enabled this (which you denied was happening the other day and Donny-Red shamefully tried to lay at the feet of parents):

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...-at-frightening-levels-doctors-warn-lz7cg7xf8

It’s almost like there are physical and mental health implications to your position as well and it’s not as simple as being on the ethically right side.

 

It's not hard to not eat and drink loads and stay in my house for a few months. It's hardly worthy of a Nobel Prize is it? I think you are willing to moan a lot but not willing to make any sacrifices despite admitting yourself that being overweight and drinking too much places unnecessary strain on the NHS.

 

I don't want you in a concentration camp at all but I do want you to stop being hypocritical and telling me that having the audacity to think I should be allowed to visit my dad will put the NHS under pressure and kill people when you refuse to lose weight in order to make sure you don't out the NHS under pressure and kill people.

 

When did I do that?

 

For the last 10 months

 

When have I told you not to visit your dad?

I’ll save you the effort; the answer is NEVER! I don’t tell people how to live or what to do. What you do is fck all to do with me.

 

You have argued for 10 months that allowing people to make personal choices on when they leave their homes and who they visit is wrong and will put the NHS under strain have you not?

 

I’m not overweight, I run 30 miles a week and I haven’t had a drink for a month, I don’t know where you’ve got your ideas from.

 

Well that would be a more sensible answer to me saying how your posts can be construed than 'I think you are morally perfect blah blah blah' which implies that you don't do those things. So you were mocking yourself too?

 

Again
I haven’t.
You just would like me to have, and you’d like to have me to blame.
But even if I had done those things. It still wouldn’t be my responsibility.

Stop looking to make enemies it makes you look a bit odd

 

Except you are in a fortune position to have a husband in a well paid job, to be in a well paid job yourself with guaranteed 100% pay regardless of what happens and you are married so have your husband at home with you. It's very easy to preach how easy the lockdown is from such a fortune position as that. Try living alone and working in an industry that's been decimated by the restrictions you wanted and then see whether it's as easy as you think.

I don't mean to have a go but this constant dismissal of people's genuine reasons to be against these draconian measures and regular replies of 'well I'm enjoying it' that I keep hearing on here from many people are very annoying. We all have differing circumstances but a little realisation that yours (and by yours I don't mean solely you) are so much more fortunate than many others wouldn't hurt.

 

You've never supported a lockdown? Never? I'm very confused why you're arguing with people who want restrictions replacing if you agree with them

 

To be fair, you can't allow everyone to make personal choices can you because people be dicks. If the rules were 'do whatever you want, you now have the personal choice' then loads of people would be just living their normal life out shopping with groups of friends, going out to nightclubs getting pissed and visiting their elderly relatives the next day/going to work with people who live with vulnerable people, going to church and singing in choirs, going to packed out cinemas all sat next to each other and spreading it all over the country at much higher levels than there are now. Then there'd be you being sensible and just seeing your dad and then there'd be people only going to work and seeing no-one etc. stuck in this situation for years whilst others are out being selfish and prolonging it for the sensible ones. It's like when we have rules at school and a kid asks why then can't do something and you have to explain that if you let them then you have to let 1600 kids all do it and it gets crazy, fast. I thought your concentration camp idea was the worst thing I've ever heard but I can understand that if by some miracle (that's not the right word but you know what I mean) it happened it would work but just letting people have 'personal choice' with no restrictions could never work in a million years.

 

You think my job is well paid? I get around £1000 a month. There's thousands of people on the maximum furlough of £2500 making two and a half times what I earn whilst doing nothing for a year. My job is also never guaranteed, once cuts start in school my job will probably be the first to go. My husband works making holiday websites and his company is barely scraping by with all but 3 staff on furlough. I've never 'wanted' these restrictions, no-one 'wants' these restrictions, that doesn't mean that I don't think they are necessary. All choices are bad and what we've got isn't even my choice as this is nothing like what I've said I wanted with proper support for businesses and people put in place. Thinking a lockdown is needed doesn't mean I want this clusterfuck. My comments to Tyketical is because all I've ever seen them do is be dramatic and point fingers at people with different opinions to themself. I think your idea is awful but at least you have come up with one. It's the blame game that is pissing me off (same as when I thought you were blaming the elderly at one point) with their 'this is what you want, people are despressed - are you happy now?' crap. It's *****, it's all ***** at the moment, no-one is happy and trying to pretend that people are skipping along happily whilst this is all going on is really starting to piss me off.

 

I’m not ‘arguing’ I’m trying to have a discussion.

My world isn’t binary, sorry about that, I know it’s easier for you to believe that everyone who doesn’t agree with you is the enemy and needs to be defeated, but in my world we’re faced with a pandemic that there’s no simple solution to.

Disagreeing with your ridiculously simplistic views can’t be assumed to be ‘agreeing’ with anything else, unless I’ve specifically posted that thing.

 

Not even slim people are safe.

 

Slim by name
Fat Focker by nature.

 

Absolutely spot on, JD.

Sick to death of people on here - a select 4 or 5- acting as though we're dancing around our living rooms celebrating the latest lockdown.

Nobody wants this. Nobody wanted lights out during the Blitz either but they could see the necessity for it to happen. Just because you agree with something it doesn't mean you want it. Christ almighty!

Imagine rationing during WW2?! "You are stripping my liberties saying I can't have an extra potato! It's a disgrace! We should just use common sense and personal responsibility! It is just a tool to control us! Life will never be the same again thanks to you lot!!" If you honestly believe you wouldn't have been saying that, you are talking utter ********.

Then there's the lot that equate agreeing with restrictions meaning that we want to see industries go under- Nope! We want to see them supported til the risks can be mitigated better. Again, it isn't an "either or". Blame the govt, not us.

These restrictions have affected me badly and it is irritating to be frequently tarred with an "im alright jack" mentality.