Pubs Opening April?

It's promising signs if that image shows what you say it does. You've posted it out of context and without a source though.

The source for anyone else looking is here: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...avirus-infections-plunged-vaccinated-60s.html

It is indeed promising but you really shouldn't post random images without the context. It's daft. Then again it is the Daily Heil, so I can see why you didn't want people to see it.

Either way, the amount of vaccinations should not dictate policy at all and I suspect they won't. See what the vaccinations do to the numbers and make decisions based on that is the only reasonable way to do it.

 

Agree. It'll be an eye opener when the figures of those that could be saved but killed through use of ventilators comes out. It would have been sacrifice in the name of medical progress no doubt.

 

Not disputing that some folk have a problem, I think we agree on that. I'm not trying to dismiss the horrible impact that alcohol can have upon individuals and also their families.

It's just you posted 'large percentage' and I don't think you can use the first or the third statistics above to illustrate a 'large percentage' or Auntie Nelly nursing her weekly sherry would qualify.

The second may have more validity than the the others if it is one session although it is three or four pints.

 

I don't drink everyday but when I do drink invariably I get p1ssed. I can't see the point having a drink if you aren't going to get a little merry. All it does just having the odd couple here and there is add to the waist line without the enjoyment.

 

Concur with that sentiment.

Looking at these assumptions, I'd seem to fall into the category of rampant alcoholic.

Now I know I post about beer a fair bit and I find i drink probably most days. But that may be 2 or 3 (generally at weekends), or it may be 1. And some of the ones may be shared.

Also, some beers have very high ABV. One I had on Friday was 13% and the can said there were 5.5 units in it (shared), so such examples are going to skew the groups and how they are perceived considerably.

 

Depends on what you drink really. If you don't like the taste of the drinks you're consuming, then you're either doing it to quench a thirst, or you're going beyond that with the intent of getting drunk.

It's years since i was last drunk, and it's never something I've particularly enjoyed to be honest.

 

I like lager chilled with some spicy crisps. After about 3 or 4 though it makes me gip. Cider I enjoy all the time and can drink can after can. I don't touch spirits. I think my main problem is I've developed a high tolerance and am quite a fast drinker. If I'm down the pub on an afternoon I can do eight pints watching the racing, football in a couple of hours easily that's with socialising too. When I was younger I hated rounds for this reason. I stopped drinking during the week because one pint on the way home easily turned into 4 or 5.

 

In my youth when i first started going out, several of our group absolutely threw them back and then peaked early. I think my dislike of "lager" comes from that, that i associated it with gas and being bloated.

There are a couple now I'll have in summer (a salted lime lager from a local brewer I absolutely love) and the mexican style ones i enjoy one or two, but they tend to be a small percentage of what i'll drink.

 

I was just a social drinker but social every night.

 

People moan about Daily Mail links so I posted the photo from there to save people clicking on a link to make my point.

https://www.bighospitality.co.uk/Ar...ay-house-restrictions-mooted-for-after-Easter

That's the Telegraph article that was hidden behind the paywall. Surprisingly it looks like Boris will have the whole country under the same tier at the same time, rather than it being regional. That Yorkshire is one of the safest places in the country I would prefer us to be in tier 1 before parts of the country that aren't doing as well. I get it would mean hospitality venues needing to see ID to check where someone lives if they don't recognise someone as a regular/local in their venue, but it sends the message from the government that if you want less restrictions you need to get the infection rate lower in your area.

 

No because everything isn't equal.

If everything gave exactly the same level of infection and transmission then you'd have a point but they don't so you haven't.

Pubs along with cafes and restaurants are the one industry where they can absolutely enforce social distancing and sanitation at the highest level. They can, and have, taken tables away to creat much more space, have it by booking only so they can manage the numbers arriving, utilise table service only, and clean every surface touched between customers. The chance of transmission within a responsible pub cafe or restaurant who has taken all necessary steps is pretty low.

Compare that to b&m who have been allowed to sell bath towels and tacky furniture all throughout this mess despite allowing vast numbers into their stores, forcing queuing in aisles with no distancing and letting people pick up and put down stock as often as they want and you have to say how can anyone justify pubs staying closed while that's open?

Things shouldn't be reopening based on a ranking of perceived importance but on their ability to operate safely.

Had tesco and co been forced by legislation to remove just one or two aisles worth of stock from their huge stores the rate of transmission would have been much lower. Had the London train stations been forced to limit numbers into the station and forced to only allow people in who had purchased tickets in advance with reduced numbers then transmission would have been much lower. Had schools been forced (and supported) to space kids out better and have smaller classes then transmission would have been much lower. Had care homes been forced to provide ppe 10 months ago transmission would have been much lower. The list goes on.

There is only one Industry in this country which actually took serious measures to provide social distancing but because the posh ***** in downing Street don't have mates making a killing out of that industry it was made a scapegoat

 

In all seriousness I agree with pretty much everything else in your post. Other than whether something is essential should also be taken into account. I agree that supermarkets etc. should have done more though.

 

Think things do need to be prioritised in terms of whether they are essential or not BUT also assessed in terms of risk too. Closing a couple of aisles in Asda when people are more than likely visiting for groceries anyway isnt likely to make a difference. My other half buys most her branded stuff from B&M that she can't get in Aldi so not everyone is going in there for bath towels. The Range shouldn't be allowed though as thats just them exploiting loopholes.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. Food and cleaning stuff- essential. Pubs- not essential. Sorry but that is a no brainer when deaths start to skyrocket.

The government is trying to close as much as possible to reduce the spread- some things we can live without and I know you won't like that but it is true. I can't wait to go to a local and have a pint, I miss it like mad! The government should be supporting those industries until they are safe to return- opening them because they aren't being supported doesn't suddenly make it the right thing to do though.

 

Barnsley, Rotherham and Doncaster are all above 200 cases per 100,000. There's no way that translates to Tier 1.

 

Can you remember that gossip you posted a few weeks back about them banning support bubbles? How did that work out? That proper stressed me out by the way. Cheers for that.

Seriously, you need to find other stuff to keep you occupied other than reading up about covid all day every day. It isn't good for your or others' mental health.

 

I agree I was thinking more when we get to April. If indeed pubs open back up then it's Yorkshire who look one of the most likely areas to be put in tier 1 then. The positive news that continues to come from Israel is good signs for us for a few months time.

 

I very much doubt Yorkshire will be allowed tier 1 if nobody else does.

Even if we didn't have any cases to report.

Yorkshire isnt exactly a place that a London centric government would allow it

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9213677/Whole-UK-vaccinated-Boris-eyes-school-return.html

Talks of all adults being given a vaccine by the end of May. That would make pubs be able to open in April really easy to do.