I think you are confusing accept with agree here. I can accept a result of elections but if I think it’s a bad choice I reserve the right to argue and try to get it changed. Almost impossible in this case because it’s not like in 5 years we can rejoin Or do we just ignore the negative effects because a small majority of those who voted vote to leave the EU in many cases swayed by promises that haven’t been kept
What are you on about? It isn’t about accepting a ‘democratic decision’. I accept the democratic decision that elected Boris Johnson in the last general election. But that doesn’t mean I won’t shout as loudly (as my lack of standing allows) to show people what I see, namely that he leads the worst performing, most self-serving and furthest right-leaning government in my living memory. I would genuinely rather have a reincarnated Thatcher as prime minister than this cretin. She didn’t give a **** about the working classes either but at least she wasn’t a brainless idiot. Just heartless. He’s both. So whilst he was democratically elected, I would very much like for him to be democratically removed from power ASAP. Similarly, Brexit appears to me to be proving to be a pretty unmitigated disaster. Completely unsurprisingly. It was democratically voted for - but that doesn’t mean we can’t democratically change our minds as a country if the majority now don’t think that was a wise decision. I don’t get this argument about ‘accepting democracy’ - when has it ever been that you have to keep forever something you vote for once? We are out of the eu, as was voted for. Erroneously voted for in my view, and not voted for by me, but still. It was voted for. Does that mean we have to stay like that forever if it proves to be completely wrong? Does it balls.
Tomorrow’s guardian headline... football attendances down 97% since brexit..., Daily mail on same day, football hooliganism down 97% since brexit. Let’s not spoil a good story by thinking about other mitigating factors though...
I don’t actually read Newspapers but one of the arguments on the right is that the Guardian is the lefts version of the Daily Heil which is clearly untrue. In the annual reports from OFCOM the Guardian is regularly seen as being the Most Accurate and Most Trustworthy Newspaper in the U.K. Significantly more than (on both accounts) than the Daily Mail. Just because a newspaper doesn’t agree with your own viewpoint doesn’t make it inaccurate or bollòcks. https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0013/201316/news-consumption-2020-report.pdf
One small point, and I'm not sure how this affects British businesses beyond Amazon UK, but everyone here in Ireland is rapidly switching away from ordering stuff from Amazon UK due to delivery delays, much higher delivery costs and bills being presented for extra taxes on the goods.
Ahh, yes....Covid I'm guessing?? The convenient scapegoat for all future economic damage done to this country.
They’re not ‘early problems’ though. This is the future we chose. There isn’t a fast track through customs procedures unless you agree to one. And we stubbornly refused to agree to one.
https://news.sky.com/story/exports-to-the-eu-have-plummeted-by-68-since-brexit-12211169 SKY owned by that well known socialist Murdoch a better source?
we have vaccinated 500000 we have half vaccinated many more due to our govt ignoring manufacturers advice.
To what end though? As someone has said in an earlier post relating to mental well being during the pandemic. Focus on things you have control over and stop reading the news every ten minutes, looking for, and fixating/becoming angry, over things you do not. Just because some people fail to get worked up over the problems caused by the present EU/UK relationship does not mean the same people are "ignoring them and expecting them to disappear" as someone else has posted. Nor does it make them, as I am regularly accused of, make them Govt Apologists or 'Tory boys'. Moaning about Brexit and/or the UK Govt continuously 14 months on from when it happened, achieves absolutely nothing. The whole argument over who said what, the misinformation, lies and promises spouted (on both sides) during theReferendum are now irrelevant. It iISwhat it IS. We now have to get on with it and look forward and make it work. As regards "monumental act of self harm" . Until the whole act plays out, unless you have crystal ball or time machine that is all it is i.e. an opinion'. Come back in two or three years where you may have been proved correct or proved wrong. Many of the dire predictions have not come to pass e.g. the economy has NOT collapsed, the impact on the city has not been a mass desertion to Europe of the Financial sector. Trying to gloss over the debacle of the EU handling of the vaccination is disingenuous. In itself it is a single error but it far more. It has exposed the whole monumental unwieldy layer of bureaucracy that the EU has introduced which was one of the reasons so many voted Leave. Take people complaining all these rules we are now subject to as a 2nd country that is causing border and export problems is the fault of Brexit. What they should be asking is why half these rules are there in the first place. Seafood exports from UK being totally blocked is a good example. One day they are safe to eat, and next they are a risk to the EU citizens and so should be banned. Nothing has physically changed. The methodology for the importers to purify the seafood on arrival still exists, but the rules for 2nd countries state that the seafood must be purified before export which means it perishes faster (Increasing the health risk ). A single error on a mound of documents for exports and imports means the whole process has to be started over rather than correcting the single error. Every shipment of fish requires duplication of documents and health certificates and inspection, not just for the lorry shipment, but each and every individual box/ container in the lorry. The argument that the UK is solely responsible for the problems for touring entertainment industry touring is also not the whole truth. The EU proposal apparently came with strings attached that were wholly unacceptable and they rejected the UK counter proposal. In fact I do not see this remaining unresolved as many Europeans and venues throughout Europe, once the Pandemic is over, will be very unhappy that UK musicians. -all genres- ,theatrical and dance productions etc will be absent and a workable solution will be forthcoming. In short, the EU in its current form an expensive and unnecessary layer of rules, bureaucracy and protectionist legislation far removed from the original Trading bloc that it was when it started out. As regards the observation of 'bias confirmation' being rife as soon as I see "The Guardian" used as the sole reference , (and once upon a time it was an indisputable source of unbiased investigative journalism), it has, sadly, become a mere mouthpiece for naysayers and woke I tend to take the following comments with a pinch of salt.
Hah hah! Really!! You think constantly moaning about something that has happened over a year ago, on a Footie BB, is going to make the slightest difference? Deluded or what? You will get a chance at the next Election. In the meantime let us all try to make things work.
Does anyone who has participated in this thread feel better for the fact that they have? Felt it’s been a really good use of their time this morning? Felt they’ve managed to change anyone’s view? Can’t wait for lockdown to end so we can all get outside again...
I think the Guardian is less inclined to print jingoistic lies designed to whip up hate among people too ignorant to develop their own opinions.
