Compulsory vaccinations

Covid deaths and covid hospitalisations are obviously linked. The infection rate is irrelevant,the hospitalisation rate is important.

 

Wrong, hospitalisation rate is directly proportional to infection rate. Absolutely, no question. The more people infected the more will require hospitalisation.

Edit - just be absolutely clear, a certain percentage of people being infected will need to be hospitalised. Just the same as a percentage of infected people will have no symptoms at all.

 

Not with the vulnerable groups vaccinated it's not.
Do you not see that if you infect 1million unvaccinated 80 year olds you will get a completely different hospitalisation rate than if you infect 1 million vaccinated 80 year olds?

Likewise can't you see that if you infect 1 million fit and healthy young people you will get a much lower hospitalisation rate than if you infect 1 million unvaccinated elderly people?

Once vulnerable groups are protected with vaccines then the infection rate amongst those extremely unlikely to become seriously unwell becomes largely irrelevant otherwise by your logic we should be locking everyone down every winter and should always have been doing so

 

Absolutely agree about vulnerable groups. The lockdown every winter bit is clearly rubbish, we have flu vaccines which do a great job.
Do you know what the percentage of infected people need hospitalisation in the ages below say 60? There will be some, whether that proportion is high enough to swamp the NHS I don't know. Maybe you do, I don't know.
I am 64 and I'm projected to get the jab in early April but I won't be sufficiently protected for another 2 weeks after that. I don't understand why you've plucked an arbitrary age of 80 out of the air.

 

Government has been spending £500k on grants for 8 different research projects into a Covid vaccine passport - probably an IRQ code on your phone, Shapps also been in discussion with the the US, Singapore and the United Nations aviation body about an international vaccine certificate. So it is happening, whatever they might have said previously.

 

How's this theory going?

 

1 in around 7000 under 70s have died from covid in just under a year. approximately 1 in 800 under 70s are estimated to have died from smoking in the same period.

I'm struggling with the actual hospitalisation to infection ratio for ages to be honest but on 3rd of Feb there were 324 under 65s hospitalised after testing positive for covid. Of which 208 had 'significant' vulnerabilities (the same group who should already have been vaccinated along with the over 70s). That's just 116 people who aren't vaccinated or aren't in the current round of vaccinations.

I think you missed the point about lockdown every winter because you used exactly my point as a way to say I was wrong. We only vaccinate the vulnerable and the elderly from influenza (apart from a few additional cases) and there's actually a really large portion of the elderly who elect not to take the vaccination. We dont lockdown. As the elderly and severely vulnerable should all have been or be vaccinated in the near future then using your own argument there should be no restrictions as the same groups have been vaccinated.

 

Biggest demographic currently taking up the wards - 64- 85 year olds.

I think today was the first time since Covid began in the UK that the above 80 year old demographic was less than 50% of the daily figure.

 

I accept the rest of your argument. However, the above needs qualification, is that 1 in 800 or 1 in 800 of those who smoked?

 

Looking forward to receiving my letter soon as I'm in the 65-69 range, 65 to be exact and will be there like a shot, pun intended, to have the jab

 

1 in 800 of the total population in that age group regardless of whether or not they smoked.

 

You'll get your jab sooner than you think. They started on the over 60s last week in Leeds.

 

Suggested to me by a healthcare professional that I could be invited in the next week and I'm only 61.

 

Wife got hers last week and she's (only?) 62

 

My mums 65 and she had hers last week.

 

Boris doesn't think we'd need to prove we've had the vaccine to go to a pub. Maybe not now because pubs wouldn't be worth opening as so few have been given a vaccine. However when everyone has been offered the chance of a vaccine I see it being brought in.

 

So in the future even after such a high percentage of people are vaccinated he believes the future will see people having to take rapid tests before being allowed to enter venues?

That sounds pretty permanent to me

 

My wife's having hers done via Leeds City Council right now, as although she's office support staff she's part of Social Care department. She's in her mid-40s.

 

Hancock saying something different.

 

Shows that they haven't got a clue what they're doing.
Grant tw@ts says one thing, everyone else contradicts him
Handoncock says one thing everyone contradicts him
Bozo says something and handoncock contradicts him

Utterly clueless