Over 40s Jabbed By Easter

Arghhhhh why with social distancing? Give one reason why, after vaccinations have been done for the vulnerable groups, there is any logic in social distancing.

After vaccinations have been done then social distancing this summer is different to next summer or the summer after in what way?


And also waiting till over 40s have been done is absolutely insane considering the tiny fraction of people in their 40s and 50s becoming I'll

 

Do you believe it's a sensible long term strategy to seal off your country from the world?

 

There has already been caution. Cases are lower than while companies were allowed to open in autumn. All the extremely vulnerable groups and elderly have been vaccinated. Today, businesses sat closed, this is caution. Waiting till summer isn't caution it's suicide

 

I get where you’re coming from but social distancing for maybe the first month in April as a trial run then back to normal by May if no apparent concerns. I’d be happy with that.

 

Last figures I saw (earlier this week) showed we had something like 20x the daily new infection rate than when we came out of lockdown 1. Deaths are still higher than in the first week of May. The NHS ICU capacity is currently 170% more utilized than this time last year - and while less people in hospital are dying they need longer to recover. NHS staff are exhausted and many are facing PTSD. But other than that, crack on.

Would you rather wait 1 month now and stay open, or open now with the risk of having to shut for 2-3 months later this year?

For the record, *most* people don't like strangers invading their personal space. At best its creepy, at worst its intrusive, intimidating and can be frightening.

 

There's a big difference between 'not invading their personal space' and not being allowed within 2 metres of a human. Is it invading your personal space if I sit next to you on a bus?

And I wasn't talking about the really low figures when we as a world foolishly locked down in the warmer months thinking this would be a quick thing

 

It's just all completely bonkers though isn't it. What would the trial month be About? If it didn't quite work according to plan then what? People are vaccinated, if people are still sadly catching it and dying then what? The options are either accept it or declare permanent restrictions forever

 

Had my jab on tuesday,there were loads of us their being conned. 65% protection after 2 weeks,85% after 3 weeks and as long as my 2nd jab is in the next ten weeks i will accept being conned.

 

I don’t understand how people can equate maintaining the most dangerous policy for public physical and mental health in history to ‘caution’.

 

Not being an expert I thought I’d look at the findings of clinical trials. There’s an interesting article in the BMJ that, although based on a relatively small sample size, shows the AstraZeneca vaccine to have a high degree of efficacy for the first 90 days with one injection.

Even then there’s still debate though.

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n326

 

I read recently that with regard to the Astra Zeneca vaccine, recent ongoing tests have shown a longer delay between first and second dose has actually increased the overall efficacy albeit that is not confirmed or reported for the Pfizer vaccine. It is nevertheless, unclear of what proportion of the type of vaccine is being administered in the UK.
Secondly the primary vaccine gives the bulk of the protection and has shown to be 100% effective at preventing cases on hospitalisation or serious symptoms.
Thirdly, it is becoming increasingly likely from data coming in from many countries that people receiving any of the vaccines AFTER having contracted Coronavirus are receiving the equivalent immunity of two doses.
Given the above points, the likelihood of the current strategy being the best approach for both the public AND the NHS seems to be high.
But don't let your hatred of the Govt get in the way of making a considered judgement!

"Not that Good.." It is well short of three months if you can count. The administration of the vaccine the programme started comparatively slowly but has ramped up considerably. Administering over 16 million doses in such a short time IS an incredible achievement.
If you can take off you anti Govt specs for just a moment you will see that, by comparison Europe is lagging massively behind. Our region in Italy of 1.5million people has only 7 places where the vaccine is being administered all hospitals and our nearest is over 30km away. Italy has only received just over 4m vaccines in total so far and haven't even managed to distribute and administer that much (only 3.3 million vaccinations so far). and Italy is one of the leading countries in the EU regarding the COVID vaccination. Whatever you think of the UK Govt this is one thing they have done well and something you should NOT be moaning about!..
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https://info.vaccinicovid.gov.it/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpJexhYil7gIVhpiyCh05AAy6EAAYAiAAEgJejfD_BwE

 

I guess we go with recommendations from the manufacturers and the BMA that the second dose should be administered with 21 days as after this is date there is no data on efficacy.

 

The limiting factor so far has been vaccine availability. The government must believe this is going to step up in the coming weeks.

 

No.

Imagine you have 200 doses of vaccine. You can vaccinate 100 people twice, giving 95 people effective immunity to Covid or 200 people once. Even if the vaccine is only 50% effective, doing it that way means 100 people will have effective immunity to Covid, a net gain of five.

This is supported by the WHO, France are doing the same. Data today also suggest Pfizer vaccine is 85% effective after one dose.

 

Are they? Based on which figures? ONS surveys suggest there's still more than 1 in 100 (1 in 85 in latest release), while it was 1 in 500 in the Autumn. Plus the numbers in hospitals are still high.

It should all be mathematical now. Infection rates, Hospital numbers, Vaccination numbers all being used in a formula that relates to what restrictions would be in place, and what would be lifted. Not just vaccine numbers.

Sounds like shops will open before pubs. Still not sure why 1000s of people pawing at stock in Primark is safer than people sitting at a table and having a drink.

 

thank you for abusing me. you are a really neat guy. i stated a point. i wasn't asking for comparisons to other places.

 

Vaccination numbers shouldn’t factor into it. If the vaccine works the other numbers come down anyway.

 

i hope so. despite what one poster seems to believe im in full belief the vaccine roll out has been a success so far.

 

I just figured that vaccine numbers would be a factor in potential new infections. But either way, there's enough data around to be able to make it a more objective call on what criteria needs to be met for certain areas to reopen.

 

Government website says 10239 people tested positive for covid-19 on Tuesday 16th Feb. That's the lowest figure since September last year when pubs and restaurants were being encouraged to offer 50% off to get people in.

If it's based in case numbers and the vulnerable groups are vaccinated but case numbers do not fall I'm still waiting on a single person to tell me what they suggest as the next, evidently permanent step. It's either permanent restrictions or remove the restrictions.