Curfew for Men!

Absolutely! That's the point I was making.

 

We live in a country that has mass scale grooming of young women throughout its industrial heartlands and barely a mention in the Lords.

A country that turns a blind eye to young girls having their genitals hacked to bits.

A country where arranged marriages and child brides are increasingly common. Tumbleweed

A country that has imported cheap female labour for cleaning and child care. Or more commonly to work in the sex industry. Not a sound.

A country where honour killings and beatings are becoming more to the afore.

A country that continually looks to desexualise people at a younger and younger age and has no qualms 'sexing up' kids clothes.

A country that is seemingly becoming more rabid in its wanting to diminish sex based rights for women

A country that has been locked down for the last year in varying degrees meaning an increase in domestic abuse and for the majority unable to escape.

I would be very intrigued as to why all of a sudden a politician who represents a party that struggles to define the term woman has decided to speak up now...

 

I'm not saying we should lock up the entire male population - all I'm saying is that we should be listening to women rather than telling them what to think. You wrote those words, not me. All I did was quote them directly.

If that makes me a darling, then so be it.

Now I'm off to Clamour elsewhere.

 

So what you're really saying is....it's all the mooslims fault. Christ.

 

I don’t think about any of this I have to admit. I’ve probably got my mother and father to thank for that. I think what you’re taught by your parents (even though you don’t realize it when you’re very young) becomes part of who you are.

‘Treat everybody the same.’ ‘Be thankful for what you’ve got.’ ‘There’s always someone worse off than you. ‘All you can do, is do your best. ‘Never tell lies.’ ‘Help other people.’ ‘Be kind to others.’ Stray from any of that and I can still hear my mother’s voice

My mother hadn’t been on any ‘awareness courses,’ didn’t belong to any pressure groups or go on protest marches. But if her common sense and views on right and wrong were taken up as a model for parenting then we wouldn’t have half the problems we’ve got.

 

It's almost as if the All Lives Matter bunch don't really think that All Lives Matter.

 

Not all British men are B@stards

And some British women have been known to murder British men.

 

I think you’re missing the point (on purpose?)

A ‘curfew for men’ isn’t a genuine proposition; it’s a reaction to the ridiculous notion that women should be stopped from going out because they’re not safe. Clearly it’s not their fault they’re not safe - so if we’re going to stop anyone going out - let’s sort the perpetrators not the victims.

 

Is this same woman who was growing spaghetti on her trees

 

Al I have done is post an article that influences much needed debate. Obviously the 88 previous posts say you are wrong. Seeing as this is a board specifically for debate I really fail to see why it is unhelpful. As far as I'm concerned it helps people to understand if we discuss and understand these issues rather than ignore them.

 

“Picks them up and rolls them back”

We may aswell stop the world and all get off,The oglers are in wrong ,but while ever you can access pornography in a matter of seconds on a phone or computer,surely all this respect women bla bla is load of balony,be first thing I would ban

 

Yes. I just though it very strange how people could ignore her.

 

I'm not sure if I have misunderstood your point apologies if I have.

 

The question should be, how do people altar or even just be aware of the behaviours that negatively impinge others, particularly those who have been historically oppressed, downtrodden and taken advantage of.

I don't think that's a huge want. Though for some, it may be beyond their abilities of change.

 

Agree with all of that

 

This has me thinking.

I know this won't be the same for everyone but for me, and I'm sure I won't be alone, the one thing my parents didn't really talk to me about was what I might be up to on lads nights out and when I was with women. Too awkward a conversation. And the one time they were never with me was on my lads nights out and when I was with women (I'm not talking about meet the parents here).

I wonder if that helps breed and normalise a culture of laddish behaviour and disrespect. It's like they are different worlds with their own rules. Men can be different people when they are around women than when they are with their families. Is that what our culture is missing? Is there a disconnect between parents and their grown up children when it comes to sexual things?

I'm not saying basic lessons of respect don't carry over. I'm not saying I personally was a wrong un. I was too shy and reserved for one thing. I was no angel either. I'll hold my hands up there. I was brought up in an era of Page 3 girls and lads mags so my thoughts were somewhat shaped by that.

 

I find this to be a very sad thread indeed. The number of posters relating threatening behaviour towards women anecdotally is terrible. As a bloke I feel awful. I wonder whether I've ever done anything to frighten anyone. I wonder whether I've ever walked behind a woman too closely and scared her. I wonder if I've ever held a glance a bit too long and made someone uncomfortable. Makes one think.
I think the Baroness person was stating her views to get people debating. She's succeeded if this board is anything to go by.

 

This^
Ina world where ‘good Christian’ women were happy to dismiss ‘grab em by the pussy’ as simply ‘locker room talk’. There’s clearly no simple answer.

As someone who’s generally a lefty do-Gooder I’ve certainly been party to some very ‘laddish’ jokes and behaviour that I’d have trouble defending amongst a group of mixed gender friends. Some of which completely harmless and some genuinely embarrassing.

(But then I am the personality type that still comes out in cold sweats remembering misdemeanours from my childhood)