Lockdown should be lifted immediately anyone agree?

Why? Is he considering his resignation?

 

These gradual stages of return to normality are the best way of going about it.

The statistics back it up.

 

My father died last week from covid after been vaccinated, its people like you that make me sick.

 

Are you OK with that when people are still dying as I said in another post just lost my father and a month ago lost another relation I only hope it never happens to you.

 

Yeah just Hull are in a worse position than Barnsley.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/...infection-rates-northern-lincolnshire-5171071

 

Well, I'm very sorry to hear that, obviously.

But it does pose then question, then, do we just stay locked down forever? If the vaccines don't work, what do we do?

 

I hate these lockdowns but it seems we’ve missed another opportunity to get a proper tracing system in place. We are now performing 1.5 million tests a day and this is seen as good, it’s really just the result of our total lack of control still in tracing and testing those with actual covid. South Korea never performed more than 18k tests a day and have been on top of their outbreak for months, why? Because they properly trace everyone and test them all!! I’m afraid with 40 million people still unvaccinated and takes up rates varying even just opening schools is going to kill people unnecessarily. We will see a further spike and deaths as more things open because of the gross incompetence of this government.

 

Utter b0llox that pal.

 

No. Coming out of lockdown measures should be glacially slow, if we are to genuinely beat this virus. Agreed it's an absolute PITA, but I'd rather take the pain now and have some kind of normality down the line than be forever in & out of measures, which is where we'll be if they go too quickly.

 

Agreed, it needs to be gradual. Immediate lifting could result in the hospitals being overrun which would take us back to square one.

 

No.

 

No. My mum has had her first vaccine. Vulnerable group and 69. Next one scheduled for late May. My dad triple heart bypass and breathing problems 71 had first jab second booked for early June.

40k cases a week is more than when we exited the first lockdown and look at what a shitshow that was.

We are nearly there. So no point buggering it up for a few weeks.

 

I lost my lovely sister 2 weeks ago to Covid 19. I was allowed to be with her (with full PPE and from a distance), as she painfully fought to breathe, then finally gave in.
If ST witnessed what I did in Barnsley District General Hospital on that day then he might have a very different view. It was horrific beyond words.
Yet amidst the death and destruction, illness and infirmity, the staff were magnificent, absolute angels every one of them, they looked exhausted, and all of them risking their lives on a daily basis to look after their patients. Do you, ST, and PBW think they would be happy to stop lockdown?
I never intended to share this event with this board, but the OP's blase dismissal of this disease has made my blood boil

 

I hate all that lockdowns stand for. They are not a fix for anything. They just kick cans down a road to further restrictions.

We have devestated society concentrating on one ailment which to quote the chief medical officer himself will for the vast majority of people be a mild cough.

The Government has and continues to pump out a message of fear which for a large minority has caused mental damage. Perhaps beyond repair.

Covid has almost become a religion. The facemask which does the square root of **** all is held up as some kind of becon of worship while handwashing has gone out the door.

There has been no cost analysis on the long term effects of lockdown. The cabinet has yet to have any breifing on the effects of lockdown. Financially, mentally,cancer treatments etc.

They dont address where massive percentages of infections and deaths occur.

Not forgetting how we as a country are treating its children.


That said. Opening everything up tomorrow would be carnage. It would be akin to someone locked away in a prison camp for years being driven to an all you can eat buffet.

The key metric isnt cases as the vast majority of those infected are not actually ill.

Schools for example they are forecasting that the prevalence of Covid is lower then the false positive rate.

Cases wil continue to fall naturally as weather warms and people get a vaccine.

Barnsley for example over recent weeks the infection rate is higher in U60s than the older population.

The key aspects are hospitalisations and deaths.

Given that's why we locked down in the first place and keep getting locked down. Protect the NHS...

As it stands in the UK deaths will in the next couple of weeks be somewhere around the mid double figure mark.

This means that the vast majority of the key vulnerable groups will have had at least one go.

Which although doesnt give you full protection it offers enough to prevent being hospitalised and ultimately reducing the risk of death.

Remember the average age of a death with Covid is around 85 years old.

Hospitalisations are a strange one. Without checking its still an average of 10% of cases are hospital born infections. That is people in hospital catching the virus during their stay.

If the number of people being admitted due to Covid has fallen significantly then thats your other metric.

Which again it is doing.

People have to remember a vaccine isnt infallible be it Flu or covid. People be it one does or two will still die with Covid.

There is scope for areas of the economy to open earlier. The Government are back on court again to justify not allowing pubs to have indoor seating from April. Again theyll lose.

There wont be another lockdown. Now the Gov is getting challenged and losing others will take a swing at it.

The big high street brands. The primarks etc will be a different animal in future.

Secondly, some of the key supporters of lockdowns have had over the weekend a taste of the medicine thats been dished out to Anti lockdown protestors and they didnt like it.

I look forward to those people supporting next weekends anti lockdown March.

 

School bubbles are already collapsing around the country after being open for one full week of school. There will very likely be an increase in cases following the return of kids to school. We won't know for definite though for 2-3 weeks, with another week to process the results and ensure that it is safe to go to the next stage. Unfortunately, schools are back for about 2 weeks then its Easter, so this will likely allow them to move to the next stage without being fully aware of the full effects of opening schools.

And not all the vulnerable are vaccinated with their first dose yet. There are a fair few million in the 50-55 age group that can't even book one yet.

Open in haste, repent at leisure. Go too fast and we'll be back in lockdown again - which no bugger wants.

 

Some European countries have stopped the vaccine over blood clot fears.

 

So sorry to hear your sad news @Lordtyke and @upthecolliers . I have several friends in the NHS and it is mentally and physically draining on them.
We need to be cautious, but hopefully the vaccination process is moving us in the right direction

 

They've stopped the Oxford vaccine but not the Pfizer jab even though some people who have Pfizer are also having clotting problems