Just checking. Am I still a conspiracy theorist for believing we will have vaccine passports

What about proof of influenza vaccine to try to prevent a few thousand unnecessary deaths next winter?

 

I get yellow fever this season whenever we play away.

 

Well I suppose it depends upon how deadly and/or virulent it might be.

 

And how deadly would you say is acceptable for preventable deaths?
10,000 that winter? 20,000?

 

On a related note the only people I personally know so far who have refused their vaccination are 3 postmen in their 60s which seems strange

 

I might be straying on your territory if I answered that one.

I want the best for society in general, as I think you do too.

It's hard to say anyone is right about what we've done (well - it's not hard to say we did most things wrong to kick off with) and what needs to be done.

I think we should all have the jab. And those who don't have it must accept that there may be consequences. Nowt drastic like.

 

I just wanna go out again. Football. Gigs. Pub. I don’t care how. The alternative is this half life and it’s really no life.

 

Did you ask them why?

 

I agree with the first part, we all want what's right and we all agree big mistakes were made. For a start I honestly believe that we should not have locked down in spring. By doing that when people were outside and when the NHS was under least pressure from other causes it simply pushed the surge to winter when it inevitably would swamp the NHS and that by having a year of restrictions it basically caused apathy at the worst possible time (winter)? Had we been quicker to close our borders to none essential travel and forced schools and all retail to take steps for social distancing we could have carried on with a sense of normality until the back end of autumn and then locked down hard.

On the vaccine front I just simply don't understand. We are now vaccinating perfectly heathy 50 year olds who statistically have a much smaller chance of death from covid than the older age groups. Now either that means we've vaccinated all the vulnerable who can have the vaccine or we have made an absolutely stupid decision to leave them and vaccinate healthy people before them. However if and when the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated I believe there is no reason at all to pressure the young and fit into a vaccine they choose not to have.

Genuine question, does anyone know how many people are unable to have the vaccine for medical reasons?

 

One said he simply didn't want to waste his time having to drive for the jab. The other two said they'd rather wait until vulnerable have all had it

 

Fair dos

 

Flu Vaccine is about 40-60% effective depending on strain.

 

I just found it a bit odd that I don't know anyone from any other walk of life who's turned it down but I know three postmen who have and no I don't go hanging around with a lot of postmen

 

If the option is always that you have either had the vaccine OR you have to have a negative test then that's completely different to just you have to have had a vaccine. I can 100% see why people shouldn't be forced to inject something into their body but I can see no reason that someone shouldn't have to prove that they don't have Covid during a pandemic to attend an event until everyone who wants to be vaccinated has been offered one. The only reason I have seen so far is that it will be slow and cause queues but, to me, a slight inconvenience is not a valid reason to risk people's lives. I'm seeing the whole 'prove you've had a vaccine' thing as just a way to get out of having a test (like joining a fast track line) so you would be perfectly fine to turn it down and just keep having tests until they are no longer needed.

 

Which is part of your medical records. I can't understand how you think it's OK to do this.

 

Perhaps I ought not to

Do you think that this something being "part" of your medical record is so sacred?

You're allowing people to know you've done what millions of others have done.

Big deal.

 

If someone fails a covid test at the turnstile (and knowing the tests aren't that accurate) then who should be out of pocket? The fan not allowed in or would they get a refund and the club is out of pocket from the empty seat?

 

No refund in that instance surely?

 

I think I agree with you. As soon as I can I will get the vaccine. If it opens up music football and drinking to me I’m more than happy to show that I have and would on balance feel safer knowing anyone else in attendance had done so too.

 

That was a long last sentence but I think I agree too!