Jose Mourinho Sacked

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  1. Stephen Dawson

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    I think players burn out too. Wayne Rooney started that young he was a spent force by the time he was 30.
     
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    I wouldn't say he burned out. Not like Owen, for example, who's body couldn't cope with playing his style of football.

    I've always seen it more that he become less effective as the years went on because teams learnt how to handle him(and the desire and determination might have diminished the richer he got). A bit like the tactics I mentioned earlier, he didn't really adapt his game to counter what the opposition was doing. Ryan Giggs is a prime example of being the exact opposite. Teams were working him out, and his body was starting to struggle as the flying winger we knew, so he completely changed his game and carried on at the top level for another 10 years.
     
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    Wayne Rooney dropped back into midfield and congested things a bit like what Kane is doing for England and Spurs.
     
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    Loko mentioning Luke Shaw gives me fond memories from when Jose was Utd manager and he said he wanted Danny Rose to replace Shaw as he felt he wasn't good enough.

    Fast forward a couple of years and Jose has frozen out Danny Rose and Luke Shaw is probably the best English left back in the league.
     
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    He said he shouldn't have to coach Shaw how to play football. He should have been able to ask him to do a job and him instinctively do it. He said good footballer's have instinct to do things. I don't see anything wrong with that statement. How much is it that Luke Shaw has improved as a footballer or he's playing under a manager that instructs him better in his role within the team. I see faults with both the manager and the player here. I get Mourinho's point but accept it's poor man management.
     
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    You're right, he did. I think the problem was he wasn't playing like a midfielder or even a No10. He was still playing like a center forward, but deeper and it nullified his threat.

    Kane frustrates the ******** out of me. In my opinion, he's the second-best out-and-out striker on the planet(after Dike) and should be in and around the box all the time. England have now got attacking players that can beat a man and get to the byline to cross. He should be there, licking his lips. Instead, he seems to have got it into his head that he wants to play like Bergkamp and be involved in all the build-up, but it's not needed, and the amount of times an England wide player had the chance to cross but couldn't because there was no-one to aim for was getting silly in the last international break.
     
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    I'm the opposite with Kane because his ability goes beyond being a goal poacher in the box. I want him involved, dropping deep, creating opportunities, getting on the end of opportunities, etc. His assist record and ability to pick out a pass is superb.

    The problem with England as I see it is how attackingly focused/instructed the other players in the team are to allow Kane to do this and this two defensive midfielders setup. Ditch Phillips and just play Rice/Henderson and then bring in another midfielder who's happy to go beyond Kane when he drops deep.
     
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    I think Kane would benefit from having a selfless Aaron Lennon or Simon Davies type winger (different eras) either side in a front three. His problem at Spurs is Son and Moura are their own men too. It doesn't work. They all miss chances the other would take, shoot when they should pass and vice versa.
     
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    If he wasn't such a deadly goal scorer, I'd agree. The way he links with Son at Spurs has been a joy to see sometimes. but I don't have the confidence in any of the other forwards England have to get on the end of and finish enough of the chances he could create. Kane, if he gets 6 half chances in a game, you would bet your house on him finishing at least 2(or at the very least forcing a save). Sterling, finishing is the weakest part of his game. Rashford I really like, but again he can be wasteful. Sancho, I'm really not sure about still. Foden could be the man, but again, it's still early days for him.
     
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    I wish Southgate had the ballax to drop Sterling.
     
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    I do like Sterling. I'm just not sure he's a "front 3" player. If old-school wingers were still in fashion, he would be unplayable out wide. As it is, his finishing lets him down, for me. He even gets in all the right positions, which is frustrating.

    This summer should be a bit of a watershed moment for the team, though. Even if they win it, I'd start phasing some players out. Sterling would be one, I think. The likes of Foden, Greenwood, Mount and Grealish are the players to take us through the next decade, so I'd be looking to get them bedded in asap. The 'keeper situation needs sorting too, as Pickford isn't the answer.
     
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    Get 'I'm signed, when Valerian is lured away by the bright lights of the (a) city.;)
     
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    The game needs characters like him
     
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    Or it could mean Daniel Levy doesn't know his arse from his elbow ? I'm sure that there's more to it than the sheer disappointment of only drawing with Everton on Friday.
     
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    Mourinho never been the same since he stopped working with Jose Morais. Who is the real special one?
     
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    Of course that could could be true.

    Hence the appointment in the first place....

    Joking aside, Levy hasn't got the greatest record for his managerial appointments I don't think.
     
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    This thread is a bit like being at work for me listening to all the plastic fans.
    Pep? Jose? Pah....love to see them try and coach someone like Thiam or Moncur, then we'll see what they made of.
     
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    Oy! I'm just a passionate fan of football! I'm so passionate, that I like to discuss it in a positive way! If you were a passionate fan of football, you wouldn't be jumping down our throats for one poor thread after we've had our best bbs season in years!

    Admin, delete my account! Bloody kneejerk reations!
     
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    It'll be interesting to see who they go for next, they could do worse than Brendan Rodgers if they could get him.
     
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    Agree with that - it's probably his most important appointment yet.

    On a side note, I've no idea why I've this much time discussing Tottenham today.
     

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