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Still no joy for Mr Lord:

Sacha Lord
@Sacha_Lord
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Legal update: We were informed a ruling would be made the week commencing the 19th. We have now been informed, a High Court Judge was not available last week and it is now, at last, sat with him. Expecting news imminently Every day counts. Data NOT dates.

And indoor hospitality slated to reopen two weeks on Monday.

 

That's the end of that then.

 

What a shock the Tory party being shady and the hospitality industry that's really safe being treated poorly.

 

It was always false hope. It was never, ever going to make a difference.

Don't know why anybody expected it to at all.

 

My point was related specifically to the result of this case. He's been on twitter for months now filling people with false hope that he was going to solve all their problems when in reality it was never going to happen.
I accept that it may very well make a difference going forward, but that's not what he's been promising. He's been promising to overturn the lockdown and get hospitality open. It was never going to happen. It was one level above Trump's election stealing lawsuits in terms of frivolousness, in terms of actually being able to accomplish the stated goal.

 

In terms of a frivolous lawsuit that had a lot of public support, but was never going to achieve what the public were behind it for, it's not dissimilar to Trump. The only difference is that Trump's was just a money making ploy, whereas Lord seemingly isn't in it for that reason at all.

I never claimed to be connected to this at all, but I've seen what the public reaction is to it. Maybe I disproportionately follow a lot of people that follow Mr Lord, but I doubt it.

Db3k has been posting about it on here for months that this was going to save the country. It's been all over twitter, people getting excited for when Sacha Lord will let them go to the pub again. I've seen his tweets loads on my twitter feed. Just look at the replies to him on twitter. People angry at him, or other people praising him for trying to let them go to the pub again.

I understand that that's what was actually the goal, but that's not what he's been pushing on twitter. He's been pushing for months that he was going to get the pubs open. Or at least that's how the general public have taken it, which is something he should have foreseen happening and which he did nothing to stop as far as I can see.

Obviously it should be based on data. I posted at the time the government's roadmap was announced that it was ridiculous that they were predicting months into the future regarding a constantly evolving situation. It could have gone either way. As it happens I think it's going to be a little too cautious, but you never know what the future will hold in this sort of situation. The vaccines certainly seem to have improved the situation greatly. Probably more than was predicted, which is why we're now in this situation. If the vaccines weren't as effective as they seem to be though, it would have been a different story.

I struggle to see though how there can possibly be 'data' for where transmissions occurred. Which is the data that is constantly brought up to bat for hospitality to be opened up. It just doesn't make sense to me at all how that data can exist and be in any way reliable. I keep seeing that only 250 cases or something were caused by hospitality, but I don't see how that can possibly be something that's known. Unless only 250 people went to a hospitality venue in the week or so before testing positive, which I find extremely hard to believe. Maybe only 250 cases were directly traced back to specific events at a hospitality venue. Maybe. But basic logic surely says that it's more than that, no? How many cases are there that the origin is unknown? How many cases actually have a direct cause that's guaranteed? It has to be a low percentage of cases, doesn't it?

 

There's not public outcry against Lord and his team, no. But it's increased the outcry against the restrictions because of the false hope it's brought. From where I'm looking at least.

Perhaps you can explain how the origin of cases can be accurately tracked, to the point where it can be confidently proclaimed that "only x number of cases were a result of hospitality". Because it makes no sense to me at all.
What does make sense to me is if it's well known within SAGE that those numbers are not accurate, which is why hospitality was closed down when it was. What other reason could there be? And please don't try and say it's just prohibition. I know you know better than thinking that's the case. Hospitality is a huge income source for the government as I'm sure you know better than I do and not one that they would close down for no reason. There was also a huge jump in cases when hospitality first opened back up, which seems like a bit of a coincidence if those cases were nothing to do with hospitality.

Honestly I think I might just stop reading this sort of thread again. It does nothing for my mental health at all. I stopped for a while, but I slowly started reading them again for some reason and then started commenting again.

 

7 day average of cases 4th July 588 on 4th August 891. An increase but huge?

You could argue that mandating masks in mid July caused a breadown in social distancing and the cases were linked to that. I personally wouldn't argue that but as you have posted it isn't possible to establish the source of cases as there isn't real evidence.


The cases did take off towards the end of August but other factors such as schools and universities could have been involved.

My opinion for what it's worth is that the more transmissible Kent varient was in the general population already and that more social mixing in society led to the major increase in cases in the Autumn. Again this is only my opinion and is based on feelings rather than any hard evidence. Can't prove though

 

Well tbh you should give two hoots to who paid for his curtains really because they may or may not have influenced decisions with their act and caused this unfairness
This is why it’s important, this is why Boris and co are trivialising it to wallpaper and curtains .
Small acts towards those in power can have big implications for peoples lives or livelihoods .
This is not about curtains or wallpaper it’s about the implications of Bribery and unfairness .
Whilst this and other stories are trivialised such as the PPE scandal and not being taken to task the more our democracy suffers

 

Asking donors to pay for Childcare. Nowt wrong wi that.
As if. He's a con-man willing to sell his soul. Trouble is. He sells every fckuer else's livelihoods into the bargain. Barring his mates.
He's a full on lovely person. (Funny how that comes out from a 4 letter word.) Lovely person indeed.
One guess.

 

I cannot think of anything more serious than if our Primeminister has favoured or pushed individuals or company’s agendas through influencing Government policies because they’ve paid for or done private favours .
This goes to the heart of our democracy and could have influenced all or some of the acts you’re railing against .
It’s trivialised as you keep saying to carpets and wallpaper but what were carpets and wallpaper influenced by?
Railing against a party’s individual policies which some people like and others don’t have gone on for years against all party’s .
It’s bad enough having these policies rammed up our arses because of party agendas etc but to hsve them rammed up our backsides because they’ve painted or paid for painting the prime ministers flat is imo treachery and against everything a democracy stands for .
I’m sorry that some Media aren’t taking things as serious as they should be imo .
Maybe the defence Secretary can have an extension paid for by the Chinese consulate and might make the media act or maybe not if they drag the clown out and ruff his hair a bit and talk ***** again and have them saying he’s a one .

 

Corruptions corruption as far as I’m concerned and whichever has the best chance of sticking or make people notice and question what’s going on .
Maybe if if one sticks the others will start to follow but whatever happens whilst some trivialise one act and vice versa nothing will get done the divide and rule kicks in .
I can’t see any difference in one corrupt decision from another when people’s lives may have been affected .

 

Have people read past the headline for PPE ?
This is my point there’s so many questionable acts from this govt and PM that none are sticking mainly because each one is being trivialised eg I’m not bothered about who paid for curtains and fittings etc it doesn’t matter who got the PPE contracts as long as we got some with the world shortage etc etc .
Each point is being trivialised on a who cares rule when once one point had stuck all the others will follow which imo is about to do because the Oarty have been warned by their Media puppets that something is about to change hence the behind the scenes activity by the Tory’s on the Sunak front .
Also how do you know that the PPE fiasco wasn’t influenced by the renovation of the PMs flat or childcare?
Once the cesspit starts to bubble everything within it could be connected .