Players I reckon will be off...

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  1. Marc

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    Nope sorry. Straight over my swede that one..
     
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    His interview had a prolific use of "Yah no". I didn't count, but I suspect it was more than 21 times.
     
  3. Red

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    I don't think anyone would want to be like me!

    It means the overwhelming majority have been successful. I haven't gone through every incoming player over the last 3 years or so to work out who was a success or a failure, nor do I intend to. Well, I might later on after my next goddamn zoom meeting!
     
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    Mike Bähre, Luke Thomas, Mads Andersen, Brad Collins, Samuel Radlinger, Conor Chaplin, Toby Sibbick, Mallik Wilks, Bambo Diaby, Aapo Halme, Clarke Oduor and Patrick Schmidt

    Was from the "most successful transfer window ever". 9 of the 12 didn't take the field on Saturday.
     
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    :D
     
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    Our biggest problem is having so many players surplus to requirments. Schmidt, Ritzcracker, Thomas, Christie Davies, Miller, Adeboyejo and Chaplin are all bits and pieces players. We need to off load some (not all) of those players. As well as cashing in on a name or two and rebuilding the squad to be competitive again next season. Like I mentioned before it will throw up completely different challenges. Fans in stadiums, expectancy levels, hangover from play-off heartache. Personnel changes.
     
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    Out of interest, what sale value & sell-on would you put on these players (assuming we'll never actually find out)? And what kinds of names would you be happy with as replacements? Genuine question, not being ar$ey at all. Just interested in what you think a stronger outcome looks like, if these players were to leave...

    Woodrow
    Helik
    Brittain
    Styles
     
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    Ah right. Didn't pick up on that. I'm guessing 21 times. It's like their golden number I think. Probably subliminal messaging.
     
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    Some of them did contribute heavily to keeping us up last year and getting us out of league one though, or is that not a measurement of success?
     
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    The problem you have in trying to offload players that haven't performed to your liking, and haven't really done much for teams out on loan is how do you offload them at a way that isn't painful?

    In that little list you've Schmidt, Thomas and Chaplin. Though fee's are generally undisclosed, the suggestion was those players cost us around £3m as a collective. It may have been less, it may have been more. But in today's market, can you see us receiving £3m to cover the transfer fees we paid out? If not, you have to pay off their whole contract unless they put in a transfer request, or the player agrees to waive it. Most of them have several years left on their deals, so that would be a considerable extra cost to offload them down the leagues.

    Ritzmaier seems to have done well, so we may claw back that fee, but I suspect Miller and Adeboyejo will see out the extra year on their contracts and Christie-Davies, we've not seen at all. He might have more value to us if the next coach prefers a passing style combined with the press.
     
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    They were all signed in our first season back in the championship. Only Bahre on loan was hear in league 1.

    You could also say many of those contributed to us being relegation favourites until covid and wigan came to the rescue.
     
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    There will be almost no money spent again this year outside the parachute clubs. After 18 months with little income clubs won’t be in any position to be splashing out. That leaves the Premier League and other than Styles and possibly Helik I don’t see many bids coming from there.

    Like last summer we are in an ideal position to sell only 1 player to balance the books.
     
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    Always the way though innit. It's not a magic formula unfortunately. Always gonna be a problem when we're signing from data. Do you go long or short on contracts? Either way it's always a gamble. If we go short and they turn out good, people say 'why didn't we give them longer'. If we go long and they turn out rubbish, people say 'why did we give them that contract'.

    If you have two players in every position, and a starting xi revolving around 15/16 players, there's always gonna be half a dozen players deemed surplus to requirements
     
  15. Red

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    That still takes that list to 8 players who meaningfully contributed to either, survival, promotion or the incredible season we've just had.
     
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    wilks, Thomas, Ritz, oduor. halme, Schmidt have all been more or less failure so far.
     
  17. Red

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    Without oduor and Schmidt we'd be playing league one football this season.
     
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    If a measure of success is a player spends some time on the pitch, then no player acquisition can ever be failure.

    Mido, brilliant signing.
     
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    I don't know the leagues well enough these days to know who we'd recruit to replace. But I'd argue none of the names above were on any of our radars before we signed them, and we probably didn't expect them to hit the heights that they have. The same will go for future recruits no doubt.

    Despite Woodrow's superb finish on Saturday I thought he had a terrible game. I've seen comments about him not suiting this style, which I disagree with, but his lack of pace or decrease in pace over the last 12-18 months has been alarming to me.

    I think Helik goes for £6 million plus serious add ons, upwards of £5 million for Brittain with add ons, and then Styles is the one that should fetch the big big money - but my only concern there is that I don't think he fetches that kind of money without proving he can be effective from central midfield. If he starts to have more of an impact on games, gets close to ten goals from midfield, then he's in to £10 million plus territory. He genuinely could be on that goes and comes straight back on a season long loan.
     
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    Wasn't he though? In terms of Barnsley lore, it was superb. I don't think I can remember laughing as much as seeing him wobble onto the pitch, then immediately launch straight into the first player he saw. Stuff of legend.
     

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