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  1. Jimmy viz

    Jimmy viz Well-Known Member

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    yes. We should absolutely cherish it. But we won’t. Parking charges just about to kick in for hospital staff again. Not sure you can pay with claps.
     
    Jimmy viz, Jun 11, 2021
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    How can anyone know that more people catch covid when already in hospital, when they’re only just going to start reporting that data?
     
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    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Been a few headlines over the last few months. Not exactly relating to that figure but similar sentiment.

    - 40,600 people likely caught Covid while hospital inpatients
    - Over 450 people a day caught covid in hospitals during January
    - Up to 8,700 patients died after catching Covid in EnglishHospitals
    - Almost as many caught Covid in hospital in past month as in previous four
    - More than 11,000 people who went into England's hospitals with unrelated issues contracted virus in December and early January
     
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    I’ve literally sent you the guidance from gov.uk that shows it’s not allowed. I don’t know what it is about that you can’t accept.
     
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    They don't. The guy has made up the 50% for effect. One of Dreamy's unreliable sources.
     
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  6. Jimmy viz

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    it’s a difficult stat to dive into though isn’t it? Take my uncle. Caught Covid in hospital while having chemotherapy. His depressed immune system was probably as big a factor as the location. The lack of PPE and an unwillingness to test staff was definitely a factor though I think that’s clear particularly March - July last year.
     
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    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    You could 100% explain why but doesn't mean the stat doesn't remain. Lack of a blanket thrown around anywhere really whilst we're all locked down, hospitality is shut, and travel is brought to it's knees.

    Cases in care homes and hospitals alone must be reaching 60/70%. My issue isn't with the hospitals, underfunded and under resourced, but with the reporting of the data.
     
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  8. Tyk

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    It’s ok, in five short weeks we’ll be returned our freedoms, it’s definitely only a temporary delay.

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    Q. What's the best way to stop people catching Covid in hospital
    A. stop people with Covid being in hospital (yes, this is the right answer - it's not about cleaning or PPE - although that helps when we fail with plan A)
    Q. How do we stop people with Covid going into hospital
    A. Stop them getting Covid in the first place
    Q. How do we stop them getting Covid in the first place
    A.er?

    Anyway, hospital acquired infections aren't new - they are difficult to stop - christ, hospitals are full of people infected with all sorts of things - but then again, does anyone ever think how many road traffic collisions happen because of the NHS - staff and patients on their way to work / appointments, supplies.

    Balancing the harms created by healthcare against the benefits is tricky - and where you sit in this argument largely depends whether you are on the wrong side of a bottle of wine on a internet forum - or struggling to breathe in a hospital bed
     
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    The Care homes thing is criminal. Wherever anyone stands on politics it’s inexcusable. Hancock and Johnson should be facing criminal charges. Like Hillsborough it will just get kicked into the long grass until everyone is too dead to pay for their criminality.
     
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    That figure has definitely been quoted by multiple sources the last few days but you're right in that it isn't readily available or proven.

    I wonder if he's getting confused with 50% of people who catch Covid in hospital sadly die in hospital (in some examples).

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    Figure reported in February was 40% by PHE.
     
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    Any chance of a link to that figure Loko? I'm not doubting that you are quoting it correctly btw - just interested to see how it was calculated, over what timescale etc etc.
     
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    I've lost the link but it was anyone who tested positive for Covid in hospital from day three onwards and then anyone who reported that they had Covid within three days of leaving hospital and being at home. It was also 'up to 40%' just to be 100% clear.
     
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    Given the data has always been there. Just a case of manipulating the data.

    Interestingly, the biggest climbing age group involved in hospital admissions would appear to be 55 and upwards...
     
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    Well, according to this report the estimate of hospital acquired infections in the first wave was 1% (i.e. 99% of people with covid were infected somewhere other than in hospital) - and of the infections in hospital 20 to 25% were acquired in hospital (n.b. these are headlines figures - devil is always in the detail)

    https://assets.publishing.service.g...f_nosocomial_infections_to_the_first_wave.pdf

    (can anyone explain how to quote someone else's post - I'm a complete dunce when it comes to this stuff)
     
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    You do realise many care homes are private owned charging £800 per week minimum for resident's there many of there owners are multi millionaire's. No excusing the goverments handling of the pandemic but if your taking 800+ a week at a privately owner home you can give your staff and residents ppe
     
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    Press “reply” under the post you want to quote.
     
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    That’s completely irrelevant to send residents back into care homes without testing them and lying about it is beyond the pale.
     
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