June 21st

It’s not banned everywhere though is it? Edgbaston is a prime example. And you know it’s completely unenforceable.

I don’t know what it is about that you can’t accept.

 

It is based on the data though isn’t it?

Cases are rising again and so are hospitalisations. An extra month gives more time for more people to get vaccinated.

The government should have done far more to help both people and businesses survive, but my view is that this should not be a consideration when it comes to restrictions. Restrictions are either necessary or they’re not, the effect on businesses and the economy doesn’t change that, so it should not be a consideration. Blame the government for not doing more to assist those businesses that are in trouble, not for the restrictions.

 

Only if it’s available.
And you shouldn’t be asked to be taking patients who are infected from hospital.

there’s a lot of talk of ‘millionaire owners’ but the reality is that dozens of care home companies go bust every year because there’s not enough money in the industry.

 

Is there a level of death from Covid which you accept then or not? I mean we accept 40k flu deaths a year right? So you would be ok if we continue to open up as long as it doesn't look like its going to kill more people then flu from now on or not? Read a report from a guy who's modelled the pandemic pretty accurately so far, he claims we will get a large spike of infections into the middle of next month with around 2-4 million people infected, but he projects "only" 7,000 deaths due to the age of those infected and the vaccine protection. Are we willing to accept 7k deaths or not? If not, what will lockdown do? It will probably just push those deaths to later in the year when the weather is not as good and its got more chance to bump into flu season. He claims that pretty much everyones either going to get it or get vaccinated, if we are to wait until everyone over 12 is double vaccinated then really we have to go into full lockdown from now until around November, are you ok with that as the alternative strategy?

 

They dont want it to end

 

So your point is it’s possible to break the rules in certain places? Well then yes, yes it is, just the same as it’s possible to drive at 100 mph in the U.K. and not wear a mask on public transport.

 

Of course there’s a level of death that’s ‘acceptable’ but personally I don’t feel comfortable with the removal of restrictions until every adult has been offered both doses. That should also give us herd immunity and protect those that are unable to get the vaccine and where the vaccine doesn’t work or is less effective.

As I’ve said previously though, I don’t think restrictions should be based on vaccinations. It should be based on the data. If what we’ve got now is enough for herd immunity (which will be evident in the data over the next couple of weeks) then I wouldn’t argue against lifting of restrictions.

The crux of it for me is that cases have only just started to ramp up, so there’s not been time for the data to come in on how the hospitalisations and deaths will be affected by the level of vaccination we have right now (which is of course increasing by the day)

 

Im going back to normal on June 21st.

Enough is enough

 

why should we suffer for areas that are refusing to have vaccine, know its a free country but as Joe Biden would say " come on man"

 

I feel certain the delay is going to be until schools close for summer. I can’t find the source now but apparently the Delta variant is spreading mainly through school age people. Our school is (was?) planning on fully going back to normal on the 28th which seems a bit crazy, and disruptive, for the sake of 3/4 weeks until summer when delaying it means it won’t be until September otherwise and everyone should be at least half vaccinated by then and lots of people fully vaccinated. They could probably just say schools stay like this and hospitality get back to normal but I very much doubt they will and will instead keep it all to the same timetable.

 

People are very contrary with the flu references. They make historical flu comparisons, but then fail to grasp that their of/with argument about COVID deaths must have applied to flu deaths as well. Now we've learnt that hands, face, space helps to virtually eliminate flu, it'll be disappointing if those sort of levels are reached again. A lot of the vulnerable will probably stay in that mindset and the hygiene aspect might stick with some of the others.

 

So what happens if the majority of those in a number of trusts currently classed as a covid hospital transmission relate to the upper quartile population range given that this section of society is over 90% vaccinated with a 'double dose'

 

This is why getting more people of all ages vaccinated is important.

Even if you’re not at risk, you can still carry the virus and pass it on. The vaccine is unlikely to stop this completely but it will almost certainly make people infectious for far less time.

 

Precisely.

but my point was that the initial assertion it's illegal to sing in the UK was utter horse ****.

Edgbaston. End of.

 

Just two samples of thousands of votes. Either Boris thinks sheep will continue to do as he tells them for as long as he tells them to or he's got no respect for the police and business owners who will be left to try and enforce the rules longer when many will just stop doing stuff like wearing masks in shops and lie about being exempt.

 

Both very unbiased audiences.

Great stuff. I’m convinced. FREEDOM DAY.

 

Having previously worked closely to that sector I don't think the last statement is very true.

 

Not like this government to do a U turn and especially within two days. Shocking way to treat couples looking forward to the happiest day of their lives to give them false hope they can have as many as they want there.