I listen to a wrestling podcast. One of the things they like to do is read out iTunes reviews they've received, where the reviewer has criticised them for 'woke signalling', as though it's an insult.
Woke is not a condemnation of all things ‘white’ nor is it anti white. That’s just the rancid wibbling of the right wing press. All woke is the basic caring about people that Thatcherism tried to destroy. Community in old money. The right are anti work because people caring for each other and community is the last thing they want.
well Id say you are wrong because nowhere is Woke defined as beyond reason you are redefining the meaning of a word
Nail/head. It's a lazy, cheap shot from right-wing morons who have absolutely no idea what it means, but because they've seen it used as an insult in the shitrags they read, think it's their right to perpetuate this myth. See also the same people brandishing the word 'Marxist' in their criticism of England players taking the knee - ask them how it's connected to Marxism. Not a fu¢king clue....
So now I'm a right wing moron? Tolerance? All my posts are rooted in that I want to make life better for everyone and increase equality. Only the means of getting there are different. And I've got reservations about some ideas floating about at the moment. I fundamentally disagree with a lot of things on the extreme left. I agree with a lot on the left. And the right. But it's too easy to be intolerant and brand people right wing morons.
Re. the anti-white narrative, I can't remember the exact line, but I think there's something in the idea that when you've had the privilege for so long then equity can feel like oppression. I get the feeling that we're in the middle of a big upheaval which will impact quite a few areas of society. I'm sure there's going to be lots of stuff which comes to the fore over the next decade or so that many of us won't understand without a lot of work! All anybody can do is try.
Re. the “all white people are racist” thing: I think what happens a lot here is that societal/systemic racism is brought up in a valid manner by liberal-minded people highlighting issues and solutions, then right-wing journos and proponents take it out of context and turn it into “this guy said you and your mum are horribly racist”.
This 'anti-white' narrative seems to be a fairly recent thing. I'm very aware of the privileges I now enjoy, as a result of generations of white male dominance. I'm aware of the historic role of white male British 'pioneers' as colonialists, empire builders and slave traders, and the indelible mark some of those things have left across the globe. I've had all sorts thrown at me. Do-gooder, anti-British, ashamed of being English, ashamed of being white etc etc. For me, it's important to make myself aware of injustices, and have empathy for people affected by them. Great Britain has fkd a lot of people over. That's not anti-British, it's undeniable historical fact. If that makes me 'woke' then fair dos. I'm fine with that. It's more a compliment than a criticism to me.
i almost wrote something similar but couldn’t make it concise. It raises the issue… how do we get ‘ordinary’ level headed people to see when they’re being manipulated? What makes an anti racist left or even centre right person adopt an agenda from the far right without questioning it? Like the James O’B caller who is booing the England team taking the knee - not because of the reasons they have stated, but because he’s decided it means something else, and he finds that something else abhorrent. But then it’s everywhere - I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve been told what I think on here re Covid, not based on what I’ve actually said, but based on the fact I’m not behaving like a bell end.
I guess the definition of words change and it's come to mean, in some circles at least, being oversensitive to such issues to the point of it being detrimental to the cause. Still not the worst insult. Personally I've never used the word and doubt I ever will. It doesn't really resonate with me in that not being racist is my default setting so I never think it's something I need to label myself as nor would I think it could be used as an insult.
Anyone who uses Marxism as an insult doesn’t understand politics or life in general. Marxism is perfection. Something of a badge of honour for me.
Antifa supposedly means anti fascist but they're still literal fascists. A lot of you on here seem like you were heavily ex-racist so you're now going out of your way to prove you're not racists.. Just an observation. I'm not saying the definition of woke is bad, we should all challenge actual injustice, racism and discrimination of all kinds, but if you can't see the whole culture for what it is then you're insane. If you're not calling black cops lovely personns and traitors to their race even though you're white, trying to get anyone you dislike cancelled, saying "ACAB" and wanting to defund the police, attacking people for using wrong pronouns or vandalizing your city then this probably doesn't apply to you. You can be hella leftist without contributing to toxic woke culture. I will forever consider myself a centrist with some libertarianish tenancies, I hate tribalism and see shades of grey in everything but I know folks over here in the US will consider me leftist and people in the UK will consider me more on the right. Is what it is lol.
Can I just ask two things? I've only ever heard the term antifa mouthed by Trump. And I took that to mean "anti fascist"... which I took to be against fascism. And I took fascism to be a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism typically under a single dictator that is used to oppress certain groups. But you're saying anti fascists are facists? Can you explain that more? You also say toxic woke culture. Can you just explain what that is and how it impacts on the world and how everyone lives in it?
Have a word with yourself. Ask yourself how you can possibly have read something so completely and utterly illogical and decided it was true.
