Safe Tory seat gone

But if you don’t know what the Tories stand for then you’ve had your head buried in the sand, if you do know what they stand for, then just wow if you still support them. But Labour , but Corbyn, but the Lib Dems eh

 

What?
I only left the Tories off because its patently obvious what they stand for, they have shown that in practice!
I said I had no idea what the main opposition parties stood for that's all.
Pretty much a shambles TBH as far as I can see.
Just because I've criticised Labour in the past doesn't mean I'm a Tory, I'm not, I just couldn't stand Corbyn or what he stood for, as in fact as it turned out neither did the rest of the country in fact I've been pretty much adrift for years because there is no party that has a viable chance of being elected that appeals.
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After reading @Gravy Chips writings on politics I'm thoroughly depressed and don't think it makes any difference.

 

ask Nick Clegg , he knew where his best chance of being a bigger fish was . He worked and campaigned for Leon Brittan, the only political difference between Lib Dem and Tory is how pro European you are , which is irrelevant now

 

If we actually look back to 2010 though and what happened subsequently.

Clegg had chance to be kingmaker. He took it. If Labour had more votes, he would have toppled that way.

He will have felt an opportunity to get some things through that he wouldn't have had a shot at otherwise. He took that gamble. He hoped to get a referendum on the voting system. He wanted to increase the freepay element of income tax banding.

He got both. To get those he had to compromise and he did. I didn't like Clegg at all. His move to facebook shows he is completely lacking in integrity and morality. But it's also worth remembering the hatchet job the tories did to keep them in line. Laws, Huhne and Cable were all targetted and got at.

Clegg was naive in his deal making. Just like the DUP were in theirs.

Swim with sharks, and you're likely to get bitten.

 

There was absolutely no way Clegg would have formed a Lib/Lab pact , I think he has admitted that

 

If the votes stacked that way, he absolutely would have.

 

They could have in 2010 ,between them Labour and Lib Dem’s had more seats together than the Tories , as we’ve seen the DUP could have been bought off , the others wouldn’t have voted with the Tories , Cleggs political instincts were with the right and Conservatism and that’s why we got the Clegg Cameron love fest

 

The coalition would have involved 4 parties (1 an independent). It was never going to get off the ground or look credible. There was also pressure on Brown to collapse the talks from within.

Clegg went the logical way. Not because of ideology. He doesn't have any.

 

So if I'm reading you right. you basically want a party that panders to all your demands. Good luck with that one.
There were a couple of things I didn't agree with Corbyn on. But on the whole. The only leader who was looking at socialism in a way no other labour leader has done. Since the 70s.
All you get is who will pay for it.
We all do. but those with obscene wealth should stand the brunt of it.
They did. after the second world war. Then reverted back to pure greed. And the working class stand by and allow it.

 

see this is why I should stick to my resolution not to comment on political threads , if you aren’t 100% Labour it’s a waste of fking time because too many folk just make stuff up!

 

Clegg supported the austerity agenda , politically he’s a right winger and wouldn’t and didn’t look out of place on the Tory benches

 

He wasn't a right winger at all. What we have now are right wingers. It really doesn't have to have this absolutism. There is a spectrum. And while he may be further right than you, it doesn't mean he's conservative right. Now accept my point because I'm getting a rash having seemingly to defend Nick Clegg! ;-)

 

There's plenty of Labour ideological purity spouted. Blair's gover nment wasn't actually Labour but Tory Lite. We're told that the last true Labour government was back in the 70s......when it ended up being propped up by........the Lib/Lab pact.
Were the Liberals the devil incarnate back then too?
If you want shut of the Tories.......be pragmatic and actually do what it takes or whinge endlessly from the sidelines as they destroy the country.

 

What did I make up. I assumed no party fitted all your demands hence you can't decide who to vote for. Or those that float your boat are non electable. Not voting is a cop out. Nor is can't be arsed.
As for Corbyn. He won more votes than Tony Blair in 2005. But for the character assassination and brexit. He may well have got over the line.
By the way I would vote tactically to get shut of this lot.

 

Or emigrate

 

See exactly what I said , everything taken to the extreme, you’re still deluded about Corbin, I just aint commenting on the political game on here anymore , total waste of time!

 

I'm personally still right behind Sir Keir. But should he fall, let's not underestimate the rich source of fun that could be had with Emily Thornberry as Labour Leader. One of the few on the opposition benches that could match Bozzer for bluster and preposterousness!

 

Deluded. . Along with 11million others. Crack on.
What was it that made you not be able to stand him. One or two policies we may even agree on. You dissed him. Would just like to know why.

I've mentioned several times about the book. The Ragged trousered philanthropist. Maybe folk should also read Harry's last stand. They maybe shine a light on what politics are all about in a tory world.

 

I've read that the Lib condition for a Lib-Lab coalition in 2010 was Gordon Brown standing down as Labour Leader and that was a deal breaker for Labour - even though he did stand down not long after...

The Libs might not have been brilliant in the coalition (and were savaged for it in 2015), but there is an argument that they managed to water down many of the more toxic Tory policies.... At the same time, they should also be blamed for austerity (although all major parties were pushing it because its easier to say "Austerity is necessary" than it is to explain how a countries economy actually works), the hostile environment and some of the reforms to benefits that hit a lot in the pocket. And also praised for "Gay Marriage".

At the end of the day though, the mistake they made was to trust the Tories - and they were screwed for it (not least with the actual AV referendum).