[Official Site] MEDIA INTERN OPPORTUNITIES

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  1. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Only on a Saturday Night ........
     
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    As I already posted before I agree to the above its a sliperry slope with unpaid work.
    It's already let to people on job seekers having to work in Tesco for their JSA money, saving Tesco the need to hire someone at minimum wage. Then they started opening factories attached to prisons and paying the prisoners under minimum wage to do a job that would be minimum wage otherwise.

    I'm not saying it's exactly the same, but saying the previous interns have only good experiences and nice things to say, doesn't change the fact they should be paid. If anything it proves the point others have made which is clearly bank of mum and dad allowed them to work for free.
    Whilst at uni I was working between 16-30 hours a week paid work just to survive, and I barely went out etc compared to most students.
     
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    We don't pay Red Rain for his match reports on here? He does it for the love of it.
    Also no one pays me or anyone else on here for our insightful comments.

    Shadowing Whitey for a couple of days also isn't going to look as impressive on your CV as "completed a voluntary internship at Barnsley Football Club which included assisting with all aspects of the media team such as Match reporting, digital content, videography" etc. I also doubt you could learn very much shadowing someone for a couple of days compared to what I assume is a structured educational course where interns are provided access to tasks and equipment in the real world which other students would undoubtedly give their eye teeth for. I don't think it's slave labour. They're not being asked to cut the turf with a pair of scissors or being asked to empty bins and sweep floors.
     
  4. Loko the Tyke

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    How much do you know about the backgrounds of the interns that have worked for Barnsley FC in the past? Aren't you in danger of labelling them as something they might not be based on your own opinion? What if they worked at uni, had a part time job, and did less than half a day at Oakwell on one of their biggest passions? Learning an absolute shed load of invaluable knowledge that set them on their journey of life in their career of choice. Doesn't always have to be about social status and class.

    I think there's a solid argument that all work should be paid. I also think there's a solid argument in favour of the interns being discussed in this thread. I remember wanting to be a journalist at one point. Knowing me and my attitude to life, I would have lapped up three hours a week unpaid to be the understudy of an actual journalist and editing a few articles for the paper. Assuming travel expenses and food is covered, which I believe it is at Oakwell.
     
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    More party members as volunteers I would imagine. My Dad went out canvassing.
     
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    I made no comments about any specific people. Nor did I label anyone anything. I'll caveat my original comment with this point: all evidence (and also the logic) clearly indicates that unpaid work schemes people call internships disproportionately benefit people from middle and upper class backgrounds as they can afford not to demand the luxury of being paid.

    Your argument in defence of unpaid work appears to be that unpaid internships might not disproportionately benefit people from certain parts of society.

    And either way, I'm still not offended on anyone's behalf. And to paint my argument as being that is a straw man.
     
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    What exactly is the argument for not paying them when the club can easily afford it? I'm struggling to think of one...
     
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    If you read the ad they have to have their own equipment and preferably their own transport. Be nice if our club could be the pioneer and have it as paid work imo.
     
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    Nobody on here is arguing against it being a fantastic opportunity. It clearly is. Twitter shows that from previous folk who've done it. It obviously looks great on a C.V. And it will provide vital experience to a young person for their future employment.

    But Christ on a bike, chuck them a bit of brass. It's the cost of a matchday ticket a week.
     
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    You're struggling to think of one because your opinion is that they should always be paid. That makes sense and I'm not discrediting that. Plenty of commentary in here as to the benefits of the internship as an unpaid role though, and I don't see the club as being evil for offering them up as unpaid.
     
  11. Red

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    I think Whitey said in a previous post they'd be supported financially. What that means I'm not sure, but it's probably travel expenses and help with equipment purchases.
     
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    There's very credible commentary as to the benefits of the role, but I've not seen a credible argument as to why it should be unpaid rather than paid.

    I'm not saying the club is "evil", just that it's poor practice given that the club positions itself as a community club (and on the whole massively succeeds).
     
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    But unless someone is already in a financially sound position who has the time and experience to do this?
     
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    It's aimed at students so experience is largely irrelevant (the whole point is to supplement their education), time will probably be worked into their core uni hours and as previously noted the successful intern would be financially supported.
     
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    Again it’s used to justify the internship culture that has put the brakes on social mobility and has made the media a public school closed shop.
     
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    The 'evil' part has definitely been the tone in parts. The tone has also shifted from the start of the thread to the end, because of people sharing their positive experiences of unpaid internships and the ones at BFC in particular. The stance has softened the more people have shared, and then focused on the paid element. Which is a more valid debate and discussion.
     
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    Maybe so but it's wrong. As has already been discussed it pushes down the poorer people in society and gives a helping hand to the well off. It can't be justified just because others do it.
     
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    If it was called a voluntary vocational experience opportunity rather than an "internship" I don't think there'd be half as much backlash to it.
     

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