Depressing...

I don't like using the word Blame in this instance but I believe its a culmination of a few things ( imo )
Parenting, lack of discipline and not teaching their little darlings right from wrong, good from bad, respect. ( in many cases, NOT all)
Police/ judicial system, appears broken to me, you only have to read about sentencing for various crimes to realise its mainly about the perpetrators of crime and not the victims,
Prisons, I worked on the prison vans for 2 years and more often than not the people being locked up do not give a fat rats ar5e, 3 meals a day, medication, gym time, its just a loop, same old faces because Prison is certainly not a deterant any more, infact many especially in the winter would ask the judge/ magistrates to give them a sentence
Schools, teachers being verbally and physically abused on a regular basis probably down to the first thing I mentioned.
I was talking to a MDP officer ( mod police) who had transfered from the met, I asked him what brings him down here, is answer was " London is broken and unfixable, I would imagine is feelings are mirrored in other big UK cities. Its our laws and lack of deterants that is broken imo

 

Thank you for your nauseating lack of insight. It’s all so simple isn’t it?

 

Its ok pal, no offence taken. The trials and tribulations of modern day society are certainly not simple!

 

I agree the prison system is broken, but probably not for the same reasons as you. The focus should be on rehabilitation of offenders. Take Norway - it has "soft" sentences and open prisons for many offenders, but the focus on reintegrating offenders as functioning members of society means that it has one of the lowest reoffending rates in the world.

 

You hit the nail on the head, throw into the mix austerity, poor governance all round including behaviours and language used and its a toxic mix. You've then got folk in unsecure and low paid jobs, employment rights and the law in general is in favour of the powerful and wealthy.
Home ownership in parts of the country are ridiculous, student fees for key subjects linked to the betterment of society are basically a joke.
Folk have lost faith, they've got nothing to strive for.
Country is a headcase at the minute.
These aren't excuses for people to use, you should still behave yourself and try to be part of society. I just think folk have given up and they just don't care.

The financial crash resulted in no bankers getting jail time. Prince Andrew doesn't get a visit from the old bill. Politicians breaking the law with no punishment.
Yet if someone doesn't pay their taxes or overclaims they get prosecuted for a small amount. In some cases imprisoned, its a joke.

 

Or exasperation from the parents not knowing what else they can try.
I as a child got into more scrapes than most, my parents tried everything from positive reinforcement, therapy and physical.
As a child I had a cane, belt,wooden spoon and slipper used against me at home and at school and none of it worked.

I look back and don’t disagree that I deserved them at times and with the benefit of experience and hindsight I did most of the things cos I enjoyed the attention acting up got me, so no form of punishment would have worked.

 

I have been around since the fifties & this culture has always existed in fact at certain times it was far worse than it is now, it is no good trying to say it is down to the present government because no government in my time what ever party has been in charge has dealt with it , they get on about racism & loutish behaviour as if it is something that has just come to the fore well if anyone was around in the sixties they will confirm that it was far worse then , the difference now of course is that with today social media provides a vehicle for people air their provocative bile , at least today people are trying to do something about it ,go back in time nothing was done .

 

Absolutely- whether you call it being out of control, exasperation, being at the end of your tether... it is normally a last ditch attempt to bring discipline for the vast majority.

I don't think bad of any parent who has occasionally lost their patience and shouted at their kids. We aren't robots. Just wanted to make that clear.

 

Behave, society and this sort out behaviour has been building for decades, it's just more in the wider public eye now due to the growth of social media that it was before but if anybody takes there rose tinted glasses off and just steps back and observes people in general you will see it everywhere, it's got very little to do with politics be it labour, Tory or the monster raving looney party.
One example I witnessed yesterday in local supermarket, a group of girl came in and started chucking bread, doughnuts, etc all over all then ran back out laughing all whilst videoing it to no doubt post it on social media, is that behaviour due to party politics, no up just mindless anti social behaviour for likes on social media.

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/england-vs...s-without-ticket-euro-2020-semi-final-1093248

Turns out the same happened in the semi final , though to a lesser degree . Maybe the media could have reported this a little more ( non of the major outlets did including the BBC ) . Now the horse has bolted they ll be calling for a major inquiry .....

 

and that just about sums up society, someone comes up with their opinion and all they get is abuse and insults

 

Maybe if his parents had beaten him he would have been nicer about it.

 

Anyone who advocates domestic violence, especially against children, ought to have thick enough skin to be told their opinion is b0llox.

 

Not even the electric chair.

 

Thanks for the advice.
Your picture from inside Barnsley Library is an inspiration!
P.S The town development is coming on great, credit to BMBC and the foresight and ambition they have shown.

 

Only cos we couldn’t afford electric!!!!

 

Family legend was my great-grandfather lived in the first house in the village with electric - and in the 1920s he used to charge the local kids a small amount to stick their fingers in the socket while he turned it on!

 

Just want to challenge a couple of points. If people are prepared to breech football supporter rules and laws to break through barriers and illegally get into the stadium, how would a lifetime ban be a deterrent. Surely their mindset isn't lined up to adhering to the rules and see illegal entry as ok? If locking people up doesn't help, then why would we need police to manage the area, just using security staff should be ok as there would be no need for the outcomes of the legal system to be applied. Finally what is the right action to avoid scenes like this in the first place and have deterrents and consequential actions as a last resort?