Compulsory vaccinations

Our 3 local MP's voted against, so perhaps the mood is changing a little. Just got to see where the tipping point is for most. But whilst ever the behavioural scientists hold sway then that's some way off. People will welcome the inevitable re-imposition of restrictions come Autumn. Can't be too careful you know. There's only one game in town. Cancer patients can just die though, that's fine. Kids can remain uneducated and a timebomb of psychological problems down the line. Most folk will realise when it's too late.

 

I will also add anyone who wants to vaccinate kids with MRNA jabs without any long term data into side effects eg on the immune system, development etc. You are an utter **** and you should be ashamed for even thinking it.

 

It's no different to any other vaccine.

It's gone through the exact same checks that any other vaccine needs to go through before being approved.

You're no different to any other anti-vaxxer.

 

How did folk prove they caught cancer working behind a bar?

Either way , health and safety meant that smoking got banned in pubs and clubs.

 

To just touch on the topic conversation, I find it hard to argue that care home workers should be able to go to work and put their patients at risk by refusing to take the vaccine. It seems logical to me that people in that environment should have to take such steps to protect the people that they're paid to look after.

It gets a little bit grey when you talk about things like maintenance workers that might only be on site for an hour or so, so I can understand being against that I suppose.

But I think anybody that refuses to get the vaccine is a **** anyway, so I'm not going to spend time and energy thinking of ways to make their lives easier or pretend that they're being unfairly discriminated against. There might be some jobs that require a vaccine, that's a risk you have to take by refusing to get a safe and tested vaccine.

I don't agree with vaccine passports for essentials such as going to the supermarket or whatever (and that's never going to happen anyway, no matter what people on here keep wanting to pretend) but I can see some logic behind using vaccine passports temporarily in order to accelerate the return to normal.

Sorry if this doesn't fit the narrative that everybody that supported any aspect of covid restrictions wants people rounded up in the street and forcefully injected, but it's not a black and white issue.

 

Can't even see it reported on the bbc about the care home compulsory vax law change.

I think right now the gov are removing all the restriction in England and opening right up enough to cause enough pushback from the public. Most are scared shitless and I think they hope that public pressure will convince companies to enforce them. GOv hoping this will save them having to do it. Almost like reverse psychology. But if they don't the gov will step in and do it anyway come autumn. Thats what it feels like to me.

We still have the ridiculous traffic light system and laws against leaving the country though so we've hardly had all restrictions thrown away or that would have gone too.

i wonder what stance bfc will take on attending games?

 

He was talking about children being given MRNA vaccines. The WHO Says Children Should Not Receive COVID-19 Vaccines — Precision Vaccinations

My child will not be receiving such a vaccine until such time as clinical trials are completed.

I'm double jabbed btw.

 

The WHO are obviously anti vax.

 

I mean I don't think anybody wants it to happen before it's approved. I'll trust the people that do the approvals process though as I have done for my whole life. No corners have been cut in terms of approval for the Covid vaccine, so it's no different to any other vaccine in that regard is my point.

If you look at what you linked it makes no note of any safety issues or "effects eg on the immune system, development etc", it merely says that as Children have less of a reaction to Covid in general and there's no research into the efficacy in children, it doesn't make sense for them to get it right now. Which makes sense.

 

if you think the vaccine passports will be temporary you are mistaken I'm afraid. They will be the first step to controlling what we can and cant do and become a health passport. First travel and then it will something else - wait till the are limiting how many times you can visit the pubs or maccy d's because 'fast food and alcohol have a detrimental effect on the NHS'. Cant come in here mate - app says you have not exercised this week. Sounds a joke right now yeah (but so was some of what is happening now) and bit by bit our freedoms are being eroded with the government nudge unit providing the 'how and when'. The travel restrictions may even spread to local travel. In Ireland they are going to have officers patrolling bars and cafes checking peoples vaccine passports - 'can I see your papers please'. Its just wrong on so many levels.

 

No, pretending that there are safety issues with the vaccine is what is anti-vax. The WHO have not done that.

 

If anything close to the "Health Passport" you've described happens in my lifetime I'll eat my house brick by brick.

It's never going to happen and it's not a logical extension of what's happening now in any way, shape or form.

 

He hasn’t made a specific claim about safety. He mentioned the potential that there may be longer term side effects which would not necessarily be evident in current trials.

Notwithstanding that, if you can’t see which way all this is going by now, as Omen says, then I can’t help you.

 

Yeah. Just like mandatory vaccinations and vax passports weren’t going to happen, and masks were temporary measures. Lockdown supporters have been spectacularly wrong on every form of government control this far so forgive us if we take your opinion on this one with a pinch of salt.

This Tory Government have no red lines - they’ve already crossed all of them. They are dangerously out of control and I am utterly bewildered that people refuse to acknowledge it.

 

Daltrey & Co well known anti vaxxers.

 

Mandatory vaccines have not happened. Some jobs might require a vaccine (as some jobs have always required vaccines for other things in the past), but that’s extremely different to mandatory vaccines and I know you know this.

Vaccine passports have not happened. Everything that has ‘vaccine passport’ at the minute has the option of a negative test as an alternative. If that changes I will join you in being against it.

So not mandatory vaccines or vaccine passports.

 

Black & white issue indeed.

Omen's got it spot on

 

And since you edited your post after I’d already quoted it (I hope in error and not to make it look like I was ignoring half of it)

What you misunderstand is that people are not going to support what you think they are going to. You’re making the mistake of thinking that people are listening to the government. People are listening to scientists who are experts in the field, people that actually know what they’re talking about. You’re getting your information from right wing gutter press and conspiracy theorists, either first hand or second hand.

And please elaborate on “Lockdown supporters have been spectacularly wrong on every form of government control this far” the majority of what people asked the government to do was completely ignored and we did nowhere near enough compared to what most people wanted. Nobody asked the government to do what they did and the fact that you keep pushing it as through anybody that supported any sort of restrictions is responsible for the pathetic actions of the government is frankly laughable.

You know what, don’t bother elaborating actually. I’m done with covid discussions on here.

The straw man arguments that are being created and the narrative that keeps getting pushed that anything that happens is somehow our fault is extremely grating and is such a bad faith and purposely disingenuous argument and attitude that it’s not worth getting mad over frankly.

You all carry on blaming us for everything because you refuse to acknowledge that you were wrong. I won’t see it anymore.

 

I reckon if I carried on in these threads I'd get banned on here. And I reckon that wouldn't look great for my social score in the new social credit system that's a logical extension of Covid restrictions.

 

I’ve not said it’s your fault. I do think though that there’s a refusal in those who backed lockdowns - for understandable, morally correct reasons - to see any danger at all in creating conditions where a one-party, medico-fascist state can thrive.

I take offence at your claim this stuff is in bad faith though. To what ends? If you can’t see that I have genuine concerns about this stuff given the last 18 months then, wow.