Freedom day update.

I agree with you but there will be millions of people who think Johnson is brilliant. Beyond belief to me but perhaps it's me that's wrong....

 

if it was for public health and safety then they would require vaccine passports at the garden centre. You know where the actual vulnerable people go..

 

the odds of someone under 50 in decent nick dying of Covid as per the the NHS is upwards of 50000/1

the odds of dying in a car crash is what? 20000/1

 

The ones who almost all took up the opportunity to get jabbed?

I mentioned communication methods the other week, I think I have a working example here.

Come get your vaccine, it’ll save lives = eat your dinner, it’ll make you big and strong.

Please have your vaccine so we can open up society safely = if you eat your dinner you can go out and play with your mates.

If you don’t come and get your vaccine we will have to stop you going into nightclubs = if you don’t eat your dinner, there’s no pudding.

Now whether the 3rd is an empty threat partly relies on how many people fall for it. If most students get jabbed before going back to Uni, and infections don’t = thousands more deaths it might mean they can live without restrictions. But if deaths are rising, and the young don’t take up their jabs, then vaccine passports are the thin end of the wedge.

 

I actually think that number is going to start falling quite dramatically.

If the media holds this course and starts to bite once more, this could become DePfeffels poll tax moment.

 

Hmm, not sure about the "educated" bit....

 

How many car crashes? what’s the odds of a lottery jackpot?

Repeating stats without underlying analysis is half a job.

And not even the story.

My kids getting their jabs was to make other people safer*. They did that because it’s the right thing to do, not so they could reduce an already vanishingly remote chance they were gonna die.

Let’s be blunt: vaccine passports are being threatened because too many selfish tw ats will only get their vaccine if they see something in it for them.

*especially the one working front line on the NHS whilst nob heads stuck behind their keyboards just want their own way.

 

That's the reason why I will continue to wear a mask in supermarkets etc, even though I detest the effing things. I know it doesn't protect me but we owe it to the staff and other shoppers/pub drinkers etc to think about their safety. Likewise we regularly do a lateral flow test, not because I'm afraid I might die but to protect others.

 

Whether its right or wrong, my personal theory is that the combination of Brexit and Covid are to the Tories what potatoes were to the Whigs. The party as it was will vanish from politics as the results of its policies are laid bare...

 

In more normal times I might have instantly agreed with that. Now I'm not so sure. The first sign you'd expect would be to see polls shift and more reaction to the disasters of brexit, though covid has superceded those issues seemingly, well in the mainstream public at least for now.

Will the people of Barnsley suddenly swing behind Labour again at the next GE to allow it to cling on to a seat? I'm not sure it would.

I really hope there is that massive shift in sentiment, but I think that's what it is right now. Hope, rather than expectation.

 

Indeedy! Or even churches! But I did say if.....

 

So the rest of us potentially have our lives permanently limited so that others can exercise their choice? No way. By all means choose not to be vaccinated but also choose to stay at home.

 

I thought I’d seen data yesterday indicating that the majority of older people were fully vaccinated. Perhaps not!!

 

So the vaccine only protects you from fellow vaccinated people?

 

As I’m sure you are aware, the vaccines are not 100% effective. But the chances of contracting the virus, if you are vaccinated, from a vaccinated person, are extremely small. And the chances of becoming seriously ill are vanishingly small. As I said, exercise choice by all means. But stay at home.

 

Vaccines do not offer full protection, they reduce the probability of infection, transmission and serious ill health. The impact of a disease with therefore be a combination of the number of those vaccinated and their age/general health.

Whilst people continue to discuss vaccination in binary terms we'll continue to have these circular and polarised discussions.

(This could have been a reply to anyone in this thread).

 

I find it fascinating, that in a country where we have free health care, some of the best universities in the world (and funding so that anyone realistically can attend), legalised abortion, relatively safe roads, relatively little gun crime, and miles upon miles of beautiful scenery to explore, not having to wear a face covering to protect others is deemed as 'freedom' by its citizens.

 

Yes the 0.5% of the population but its been mostly people with underlying health conditions obese etc, if your a young fit healthy person at 19/20 and you think to yourself I don't really want this which is understandable.

 

Notoriously poor ventilation in garden centres. They should really move some of the garden stuff outside…