Freedom day update.

Threads like this really drive home what Thatcher did to our society. Destroyed ideas of caring for each other of community of thinking of others before your self. On top of that the culture wars perpetrated by the far right and legitimised by the media have split us even more.

Sad that when you go into a place where there could be vulnerable people your first thought isn’t to protect them but of your own comfort and happiness. We are lost as a nation.

 

Depends how that figure is derived, not disputing it just from personal experience it may not be accurate.
My wife was offered the vaccine very early on despite being in her 30s becusse she receives carers allowance. However she gets that for our son who has autism. He isn't clinically vulnerable, but all carers got the offer. I understand why they did from a logistics point of view and it was al.ost certainly the correct call. Just that I wouldn’t necessarily trust the numbers. It could be lower or higher in honesty.

 

Yes & that is cool, but it is untested.

I'm very pro vaccine, but I could understand that the risk of a termination / very ill person is increased. There are no figures on this.

 

Hard to argue with that as a direct statement. It does however mean we would have to wear masks and socially distance permanently as covid isn't the only threat to vulnerable people.

 

Not even about this tbh. I’m just more and more disgusted with how we are as a society.

For this very specific thing that we all know can be life threatening to vulnerable people. I make no bones in saying I hate wearing a mask but what I’d really hate is if I didn’t and I got on a bus or train with someone who is clinically vulnerable and infected them

 

One of my parents is dying of Cancer & the other has dementia & a bunch of other issues.

They have both had Covid & survived & are 84 & 80.

We just need people to be responsible & recognise people at risk, or those that just look worried.

Unfortunately they are in a minority, with the rest of the apathetic crowd not bothering to vote for their own interests.

 

I see the mask thing as a none issue, yet to see any evidence of real world effectiveness of large scale mask wearing. I accept o could be wrong but that's the way I've gone.
I have these last 2 days without my mask on made every effort to give people as much space as possible.
I do genuinely care about other people but if people view me as selfish I can live with it. I have to deal with a lot worse on a daily basis.
I am I suppose selfishly looking forward to going into some ships beyond supermarkets which I have basically been avoiding since masks mandates came in.

 

I wasn't too far out with my estimate then! Though the "plus" certainly helped me out! ;-)

 

And thats the sensible approach and if we lived in a less selfish society hopefully many more would be considerate like you. Unfortunately we are surrounded by pillocks and governed by idiots.

 

I tend to agree.

 

Very reluctant to get involved further but there is actually evidence that masks are effective. But everyone to their own eh?

 

I haven't seen anything conclusive of large scale wearing have a impact. The US states that have and haven't used them show little difference.
I know in theory that are effective but the reality I haven't seen. This could be for any number of reasons and I'm happy to be convinced otherwise

 

It's a massive dose of lets see how much fear we can strike into the public, the figures if correct show this to be true.

UK testing 10 times more than other European countries who are broadcasting we are being ravished by infections.

Apply the modelling and scale what would be reported should we test say Germany levels. We end up with one of the lowest rates across Europe. Hardly any people losing their lives whilst we ignore peoples mental health and other serious medical conditions.

Lets see the death rates for things people are not getting treated for..

This is what happens when we have a **** government seemingly pulling at straws, a terrible opposition with no ideas of their own and weak leadership, plus a media culture of scare.

 

There has been no real world study to say they are effective. Only stats taken from sterile / clinical environments like an operating theatre.

 

This is how I see it.
Let's say you had relations with a lady (or gentleman) of the night in a house of disrepute.
Let's say the following day you were contacted by the Madame of the establishment who is sorry to inform you that the person you were intimate with has tested positive for HIV.

You have no way of telling if you have HIV then and there, and your long suffering partner has put on the special outfit that means it's on.

Do you:
A) Not worry about it. There's a miniscule chance you have been infected as you didn't properly exchange bodily fluids
B) Wear a protective prophylactic and assume everything will be OK
C) Not do the deed as despite your reckless actions, you do love your significant other and however slim the chance you wouldn't want to pass on a potentially deadly illness?

Just curious.

 

There seems to be a lot of debate regarding the effectiveness of masks. And perhaps we do require further evidence to fully determine whether they are effective or not. However, as far as I can tell the cost of wearing a mask is far outweighed by the potential benefits. Even if that benefit is simply making vulnerable individuals feel safer when returning to public spaces. Maybe I'm not being very empathetic, but I really do struggle to understand how wearing a piece of fabric over your face for a short while is so unbearable.

 

I don’t know any. Of any age

 

I know around 30-40 personally and know of an additional 30-40.

 

Absolutely agreed. There are so many selfish, children of Thatcher that only care solely about themselves and their families not catching Covid that they don’t give a shiny **** about any of the societal consequences of what they are asking the rest of society to do for them.

They don’t care about poor children denied access to education

They don’t care about huge increases in inequality.

they don’t care about those on the NHS waiting list for screening or initial treatment for diseases with a 0.0% survival rate as long as they feel safer from the one with a 99.7% survival rate

They don’t care about the increased victims of sexual violence and domestic abuse or any of the other myriad societal implications of the lockdowns they gleefully cheered in.

 

It's because everyone is different. That's why it's so unbearable for some.
For some it's unbearable because when they were raped their rapist covers their mouth to stop them from screaming. Some because their mother, father, brother or sister covered their mouth whilst molesting them as children.
Or perhaps it's because when they were mugged the thug covered their mouth?
Because they were in an accident in which they were trapped leading to claustrophobia
Because they have severe social anxiety, like to avoid being noticed and don't want to be noticed (counter intuitive I know, but it's more common than you think)
because they have breathing difficulties and anything covering their airway makes that harder (which in the real world it does, the majority just don't notice)
Or simply because they can't handle the feeling of something tight against their skin. Many can't wear hats or gloves for this reason or tight tops.

There's a multitude of reasons why people cant wear masks and the real reason is simple. We are all different and all have different struggles.


Also if the 'benefit' of wearing a mask is that it gives the wearer a false sense of security leading to them abandoning other precautions such as social distancing (which we all know it did and does) then I'd argue that's not a benefit at all. It's no benefit to an electrician to be told the power is off when it's on. Sure they'll have a false sense of security as they grab the live wires but they'll get a shock