If this doesn't worry you nothing will

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  1. Red

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    If flu was as contagious as covid, yes.
     
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    Good for you. It's good to have a degree of restraint, I try to exercise it too. I also like to think I'm respectful to others' views.
     
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    I don't mean the people that the government define as 'legitimate', I mean legitimate reasons on a human, free-choice level.
     
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  4. Red

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    If you choose freely to not protect your fellow human, then you're choosing to not participate in the return of public events.
     
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    God only knows why people rail against measures trying to keep folk safe.
    I read a harrowing report by a doctor in the states looking after young adults with COVID begging to be given the vaccine because they had realised the mistake. She had the sad task of explaining to them it was too late for the vaccine then and in many cases explaining to the relatives why their youngsters had passed away.
    Then you’ve got folk who have been double jabbed still going down with it , OK mostly with minor symptoms themselves but infectious to others.
    And then you get folk comparing it to folk not having fking flu vaccines, beggars belief really!
     
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    It's an unfair assessment in my view. We'll agree to disagree.
     
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    I wasn't attempting to equate the two in terms of severity. The point I was making is that if you have no problem with the government dictating your healthcare on a quasi-utilitarian basis then where do you draw the line?
     
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    Personally I draw the line while people are still dying.
    I wasn't meaning you in particular, it just gets to me when folk are complaining about not having full crowds at football matches etc when really they have no experience and I sincerely hope they never do but when you actually lose a love one to something like this believe me having a few limits on having a pint or being li9mited at the football will all fall into pale into insignificance in a very big way!
     
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    So you do condone compulsory flu vaccines in order to go to events then? Because people are still dying of that
     
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    If clubs are forced to bring them in that's bad enough. But if clubs decide to bring them in on a voluntary basis then they would deserve every bit of stick they got and hopefully some protests outside the grounds.
     
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  11. Red

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    Covid causes more serious illnesses in people than flu.

    People infected with covid stay infectious for longer than people with flu.

    The mortality rate of covid is higher than flu.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm

    Also, no vaccine is compulsory, it's a choice.

    It's not hard. If you can have the vaccine, have it then you can go to whatever event you're desperate to go to. If you choose not to have the vaccine, well, then you can't have been that desperate to go to that event. If you're under 18 or are exempt then you're golden, crack on regardless.

    The arguments against a covid passport are quite frankly, pathetic. People should just do what's right and have the damn vaccine whether you personally think it's worth it or not.
     
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    imagine if this was a zombie pandemic instead of COVID, I wonder what the reaction would be to flesh eating monsters
     
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    It also beggars belief that so many people are rolling over and accepting this as if it’s ok. A government mandated injection essentially, that officials globally have admitted poses more risks to the individual than it does benefits for a particular age group.
     
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    You keep pedalling this rhetoric without actually saying much. Casting shade on others opinions but you don’t really counter any ‘pathetic’ arguments.

    People shouldn’t be forced to take a vaccine that senior officials and experts have admitted poses more risk than it does benefits, just to be allowed to live a free life in this country. That’s before you even start on the government control side of things and what that might eventually lead to and how discriminatory it is.

    Nobody ever comments on how wildly wrong Independent Sage and Warwick have been at almost every turn in their predictions in 2021. Nobody mentioned that Covid was 26th on the cause of death list for June and represented 1% of total deaths in England. Or that cases have dropped by close to 20,000 vs. last week.

    Where’s the balanced opinions and reporting? Minus the throwaway insults at people with a different viewpoint?
     
    Loko the Tyke, Jul 25, 2021
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    This just isn't true, is it?

    The data is extremely clear that no matter what age or healthiness somebody is, the vaccine is statistically less risky than catching Covid unvaccinated.
     
    BarnsleyReds, Jul 25, 2021
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    Get rammell on
     
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    It’s true based on a certain age demographic. For younger people it’s been admitted, in this country and in Australia through studies or leading officials, that the risks outweigh the benefits.

    That’s why they’re all up in arms in Australia that 800,000 people not at risk have been given a vaccine that offers them a greater risk than it does benefit. I don’t spin conspiracy theories and lies when I defend my position on something - that’s why often the replies go silent.
     
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    You're going to have to do better than that.

    I don't listen to conspiracy theorists, who frankly are the only people I've seen pushing the nonsense that the vaccines are more risky than getting the virus. If you have something more concrete you're going to have to share it, because I've had a look and found nothing.

    From everything I've seen, there is no age group where having the vaccine is more risky than catching Covid. It's really as simple as that. If you have something official saying otherwise, please share it.
     
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    Two reasons

    1) Because they’re thick.

    2) Because they’re utterly unprincipled and selfish - so while it’s for something they are in favour of and conform to themselves (in this case vaccination) then they’re ok with it. But because of item 1) above they can’t conceive of a time that the same methodologies will be used to enforce something on them that they don’t want or agree with.
     
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