Successful season backed up

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    Only real impact is the less direct style of play to be fair. Operationally, most folk won't even have noticed a difference I would have thought.

    Losing only Mowatt when loads were saying there would be a fire sale. Obviously Dike was never ours anyway. A fit Morris I reckon could be a better prospect than Dike, big loss over the next few weeks. I'd be tempted to dip into the loan market again to ensure we have that physical option up front.
     
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    That is true - but who is doing the job in the interim? The transfer window closes in ten days I believe.

    We lost both the ceo and the club Secretary, so who’s doing the deals? Who didn’t check the eligibility for visas? Who is trying to get it sorted? Who is looking for alternatives in case it can’t be sorted? Can we get the money back if they can’t be registered?

    Who is actually running the club day to day?

    They are all fair questions.

    The club doesn’t look to be being properly run at all.
     
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    God bless your positivity but within the fibre of your post is probably to answer to why things are such a mess.

    Our CEO walks out without notice period, with the Club Secretary, at a key point in the cycle of a football club where we're trying to also replace the key on the pitch figures from our best season in 20 years. I don't see how allowing the circumstances whereby that was possible is anything other than gross incompetence from the board.

    The replacement CEO isn't there. A businessman who has interests in about 8 other football clubs is supposedly in charge despite not being on the continent as the new CEO can't work for us yet. Presumbly the day to day running of the club and issues like matchday safety are left to the already overworked and fantastic members of staff behind the scenes.

    So things slip the net, ie the Belgian situation. Fans are left in the dark.

    I really wish our ownership had a sole focus on our club, as the light touch approach and focus on 'portfolio' of the 'group' can't work if we're constantly losing key staff.
     
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    You’re assuming there’s a chance they can’t be registered. Nobody has said that’s a possibility or an eventuality so I don’t think it’s something we should be concerned with yet.

    It’s common knowledge Paul Conway is acting CEO. We can question the job he’s doing but do we need to pretend we don’t know this?

    I’m all for club criticism when is due but we don’t half leap from different points on here way too quickly and easily. I guess that’s the emotional attachment to a football club so completely understandable.

    The fact we got so much of our ‘business’ completed early is getting disregarded. Can’t be one or the other can it? Let’s not forget that paperwork on transfers has been messed up before - not just by us but by other clubs as well. Mistakes happen.
     
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    Football is really only about the first the winning team games. If we're winning no one gives a shiney 5hite who is coach, chairman, physio or kit washer.. people move on..
    It's only when fans are not happy with the first 11 that people start looking for whys and why nots..
    Can't do nowt abart it anyway. Just hope for a win today and folkwont care who the backroom staff are..
     
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    I’m not arguing here and I’m genuinely asking. What are we being kept in the dark on that really matters?

    I’d like to know what the situation with Dane’s contract was and if it was one that expired why we didn’t have a replacement on day one. I’d also be keen to get an update on the ground ownership issue but we were told, by Dane, that talks were ongoing and positive so probably not more to know at this stage?
     
  8. Red

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    I've come to the conclusion that some folk just delight in dissecting everything in the hopes of finding negativity.

    Fans have rarely (if ever?) been privy to the inner workings of a championship club, why do people think that our club will be different?

    Keep your eye on the results, cheer on the 11 blokes on the field, those guys are the ones who should actually matter to us as fans.
     
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    I don't want to know the inner workings but I wouldn't mind knowing why one of the key access routes to the stadium has been closed. Why the literature I received from the club 24 hours before the first home game was incorrect and out of date. Why we have turned fans away from the ground. Why there was a queue of fans at the box office trying to sort out their none working tickets out only to be told one at a time 'theres nothing we can do. Why have you come here?' (because they were told to) Why our two new signings are unable to play for us despite us being desperate. And it would also have been nice to tell us that our CEO had left rather than letting us find out from his new club.

    None of these things are unreasonable to know are they?
     
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    There's a fair bit.

    The CEO left and we were told nothing about it.

    Two of our summer signings that fans had pinned their hopes on can't play and the truth of it isn't being communicated. Perhaps not to the coaching staff either.

    Unless I missed it, we still don't have a definitive answer on whether our owners are planning to have us play at Rotherham or Wigan given the dispute over Oakwell.

    The matchday experience we were all promised is where? No Fanzone, Kids Club etc etc...

    Fair play to other fans who are just bothered about how well Brittain crosses a ball. I'm too emotionally attached and concerned with the legacy of our club to not look at the bigger picture.
     
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    Our playing budget remains one of the lowest in the division. Last years performance was an outlier and reflected a new playing style which, by and large, worked and strong performances from existing players and the use of the loan market for DK.

    Success, as Valerien said, makes you sexy. Clubs with much bigger budgets will look to bring in the people they believe are behind that success. Coach, captain and CEO all look more attractive after a season of success.

    If this season reflects our budget then the club are in for another relegation fight. I’m not sure the proposed ‘layering’ of players has actually happened as few of the recent additions have shown the ability to step up. The biggest challenge in the next few weeks will be the club holding on to last year’s more successful players such as Styles and Helik.

    Maybe there are more structural issues but fundamentally the biggest factor in a clubs finishing position is the pay roll. Our is bottom end championship/top end league one.
     
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    They do matter and that's why we want to know why two of them can't play! :D
     
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    Only lost Mowatt so far. Another 10 days of the window to negotiate yet,but hopefully we won't lose any key players eg.Helik
     
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    We’ve been told it’s international clearance/visa issues and I’ll assume we’ll be told an update on that at each presser. But we’re not in the dark are we? We’re in the dark about why we mentioned fitness issues first, but that’s easily explained if you’re happy to think they were expecting the clearance issue to be resolved.

    The club and the trust have repeated that they don’t expect this to happen and that ongoing talks between the relevant parties are ongoing and positive. Considering there’s legal challenges at play here I don’t think there’s more to know on this one.

    Probably not intentional but this comes across a little bit ‘proper fan’ like. I’m as emotionally invested in this club as you, I just don’t see things as negatively. I do appreciate things can be viewed in different ways, and where facts and substance is involved (like the CEO announcement and contract) I’m happy to have that discussion. Too often though people just seem to rant and ignore some of the facts that are out there in search of something negative.

    We’re two games in to a relaunch after 18 months not being able to see a ball being kicked in anger at Oakwell. We’ve had those things you just mentioned, just not recently as we come out of a restriction heavy, behind closed doors era.
     
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    Chill man, all in good time! Woooosaaah!

    Loads more important things to lose your sh it over.
     
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    I wonder if all this negativity would still be around if Morris hadn't been injured and we managed to win Luton.
    Have a lie down ,get yourself a large red wine or beer and enjoy the game on sky.
    Tickety boo this is Barnsley fc.
    Look at Bristol City on 4 points after 4 league games ,not won a game at home since January.
    Every cloud hey.
     
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    Nothing official has come from the club re the Belgians apart from conflicting info from the coach. That's in the dark to me.

    Cheers for the update on the ground situation, sounds promising.

    To be honest, I think it works both ways. Perhaps as an antidote to negativity, fans do go the other way and either look for angles to defend the ownership that blur out negatives or simply not question anything off the pitch.

    I firmly believe we have a responsibility to hold the people in control to account and that's what this is. Not negativity for the sake of it.
     
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    Fully in possession of my ****, don't worry! :D
     
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    I think our local journalists do a better job than ever of providing us with information and updates. The issue around International clearance has been discussed openly on here for days since it was confirmed.

    Not sure on this. Appreciate what you’re trying to say and you might be right, but I do find that those who have an opposing or more positive view, because that’s what it is rather than just aimlessly wanting to defend the club, do so based more on the facts and info that is out there. Not always by the way, just more often than not.
     
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    We do appear to be a bit of a doormat of a club.
     

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