Surely this is the end

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  1. Don

    Donny-Red Well-Known Member

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    Some of the most famous miscarriages of justice have been based on ‘admissions’ of guilt.

    You accept it’s an imperfect system; and you’re therefore happy to murder innocent people, and you’re asking the rest of us to see that as a ‘reasonable’ viewpoint.
     
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    Not quite. I’m saying I don’t fall out with it as a punishment or agree it’sa horrible view, if it can be used correctly and not have flaws. Purely as a punishment I see a role for it, that is all
     
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    Nah
    The difference is you’re happy to murder someone you believe is a ‘wrong un’. Whilst I believe that people who support that view are flawed.

    And there’s the fundamental difference; I acknowledge that we’re all flawed. And mistakes are made - by people who break the law and commit crimes under extreme circumstances. Coppers make mistakes, and create evidence, or ignore evidence that doesn’t fit their preconceptions, judges and juries, also make mistakes.

    And if you’re judging the ‘whole person’ how come you’ve written off a fair proportion of society as simply ‘scroats’?
     
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    A fair proportion of society? That’s by your own definition, not mine.

    Mine was a small proportion. But again, feel free to add your own agenda when you want
     
  5. Don

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    But it does have flaws.
    You’re not stupid, you know that innocent people spend years in jail - yet you’re pretending that there’s a theoretical scenario where it’s safe to kill people. It’s illogical, every one of us is aware of miscarriages of justice, many of us will know people who were wrongly convicted. And to pretend that there’s an alternative reality where that can’t happen is just kidding yourself.

    So now you have to ask yourself why you’re attracted to the idea of murdering people who ‘deserve it’ when you know for certain there’s no way of ensuring they did deserve it.
     
  6. Don

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    Happy for you to define what a ‘fair proportion’ is and what a ‘small proportion’ is.

    And whether or not you’d find a consensus on the difference (or indeed whether there is a difference). ;)
     

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