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Drive to Survive is going to be good that's for certain!

 

They all do to be honest. Don't forget that not all radio messages are broadcast. Just the ones they choose to show. The unaired messages often make interesting listening

 

I doubt it. What is that expression... 'The apple does not fall far from the tree..." His 'mentoring' father is a thug and a bully and is a convicted criminal. Add to that the attitude of CH and HM at RBR feeding his sense of entitlement and you have an accident wating to happen. People call out LH regularly but I cannot ever recall him storming down a pit lane, entering a rivals garage and assaulting another driver as MV has done in a fit of rage having experienced an 'on track incident' similar to those he has already inflicted on other drivers. As I said before. he needs reining in before he really hurts someone.

 

Not true. some drivers called it a racing incident and the stewards stated (and the penalty reflected) that Hamilton was largely responsible i.e. MV bore some responsibility

You seem to be very keen to apportioning blame and re-writing history on most of your contributions to this thread attempt to defend MV and apportion blame to LH which suggest you are either a MV/RBR fan or have a dislike of LH /MAMG.

For my part I acknowledge I like LH for what he has achieved and his racing skills whilst having a distinct dislike for MV/RBR attitudes . Nevertheless in trying to be impartial and look at the facts in both occasions MV made no attempt to protect his car and himself and far exceeded to limit of what is hard racing and became reckless.

At Silverstone LH decided he had had enough and did not attempt to avoid contact by backing off as he and other drivers do when MV drives aggressively. IF you had seen the lap leading up to the Silverstone crash. MV was all over the track beyond the limits of what is acceptable defensive driving each time Hamilton took pragmatic approach and backed off..

 

I really saw it as a racing incident. Hamilton left just enough room and MV tried to push the space wider. That caused the contact and because LH was just in front it pulled MVs car up and the kerb launched the car up and over LHs.
The Halo is the biggest innovation in motor sport since the HANS device was made mandatory I think.

 

Just caught up with it now. I would definitely say Max’s fault and Hamilton very lucky to have the halo there.

Buzzing for Ricciardo though. My favourite driver and what a great win.

 

Agreed. Disgusted with that

 

Having watched a reply just now it appeared max actually tried to move his car when they first became stationary, if the tyre had still been on Hamiltons head at that point it could have been horrific.
Plenty of lessons to learned all round I think.

 

That’s not true - both Damon Hill and Johnny Herbert apportioned blame to Verstappen

 

I’m starting to think Max doesn’t have the temperament to be World Champion. He should already have the title in the bag.
I saw this post title earlier, but was waiting for highlights, thanks for the spoiler alert. I had no idea what had happened, but after Max’s pit meltdown - as soon as I saw him right behind Lewis, I knew this was it..
Max was foolish, could have got DRS on the straight, as Lewis’ tyres got up to temperature. Impetuous & arrogant. Enfant Terribles of F1.
I bet his engineers hate him. He’ll have next season to bring Red Bull the title, before their patience runs out.
I like a good scrap, but Lewis could easily have been killed today & Verstappen was completely unconcerned, where at Silverstone, the first thing Lewis said was, is Max ok? I’m not saying that’s why he so 7 time world champion, but it’s why he’s a great champion.

 

Not blaming Lewis for today at all. The experts, the pros, were split on if it was a racing incident or verstappens fault. Haven't seen any of them say it was Lewis's though because it wasn't. He could have moved over further but max could have backed out. Imo it's a racing incident caused by a dangerous track design but that's just my opinion.

 

So now you are talking "dangerous track design!!" in an effort to deflect blame from Verstappen who was deemed 100% responsible by the stewards (unlike Silverstone where the penalty against Hamilton was less severe as they deemed Vrestappen contributed by his actions to the initial contact.)

You don't half talk some bo**x mate. Monza is a classic track and the layout pretty much unchanged for decades since the old banked track was abandoned. A chicane is actually designed to to slow cars down. That particular one is the slowest corner on the circuit with lots of run off in case of , for example brake failure down the main straight or drivers misjudging the braking point Since drivers know it is there, like all other corners and bends on that and all other circuits they should be capable of dealing with it and most! know wher they can overtake and where they can't.

I suggest, since all corners are inherently dangerous when racing you stick to watching drag racing. After all that only involves one long straight!!

 

Two words.
Sausage kerbs


You won't find anyone defending them

 

Or, in Verstappens case,...trying to avoid them.

 

Yes as I've already said, he could have backed off to avoid the accident. But the dangerous track design is what ultimately threw his car into Lewis. They really need to go because they don't provide any kind of safety at all and have almost killed quite a few people now.

 

I noticed that at the time. Thank god that didn't cause more damage. the torque those things have combined with how sticky the tyres will have been at that point could have broken his neck, or even taken his head clean off. Terrifying.

 

You can't really blame the sausage curbs for this, mate. Yes, they are the reason the incident became possibly life-threatening by lifting the car, but they wouldn't have even been a factor if cooler heads had prevailed and Verstappen had pulled out of the move. It's not like the curbs just appeared. The drivers know they are there, and know the effect they can have on a car moving at the speeds they do, and with the drastic changes of direction they are capable of.

Looking back on it now with fresh eyes, I'm still of the opinion it's 100% on Verstappen. The gap was not there in the first place, and a smart driver would have let Hamilton go, before trying to use the DRS to get him soon after.

Max has a lot of growing up to do. He's going to end up making enemies of his own team, the fans and the other drivers if he doesn't.

I do agree that the sausage curbs seem a dangerous solution to the issue they are trying to address, though.