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Let's wait and see how they report it.

If it's "91% of randoms off t'internet and their influencers think that......"

Then yes, it could be argued they are accurately reporting an inaccurate and misleading poll. There's probably some insight from how db3k shares such things though and how some parts of society will accept these findings, requote them and treat them as gospel.

 

Exactly:
Remember the ‘popular’ racist that got banned constantly repeating that he held the ‘majority view’.
We’re all susceptible to echo chambers, but simple folk are less likely to ‘check’ themselves.

 

Not just "wider social benefit" though is it? It's also for the kid's own social and educational benefit. They've been though enough disruption to their lives already and anything that brings back some sort of normal schooldays has to be a good thing. Probably would have been better to put aircon units in classrooms though....

 

That wouldn't be representing accurate data, because it's not accurate, because it's not representative. I'm not sure how many times I need to double, triple, or quadruple until you get that? ;-)

It will be channelled through their own social media accounts to derive income due to its clickbait populist nature, you'll also get the media outlets that live off these things to try and derive income. Reach plc is the obvious one for these things.

Anyway, I need to go and analyse some data that's robust and representative!

 

Except it isn't.

 

Some of us acknowledge we are influenced by our echo chambers (and subsequently moderate our language to suit).
Use whatever alternative language you like, but some people don’t recognise the bias and insist that they hold a majority view, or that something they’ve read is gospel in the face of all sensible evidence etc.

I use the word ‘simple’ as it’s an accurate description of the dismissal of nuance or complexities.

 

I was voicing an actual wondering. They’d have been better asking ‘if you had children aged 12-15 would you let them have the vaccine?’ to include everyone and all polls should have an ‘I want to see the results’ option as tons of people answer just to see what other people have chosen.

 

It is if they say nine out of ten parents of 12-15 year olds said this on our poll when they have no idea how many of those that answered are in fact parents of 12-15 year olds. I could answer now but I don’t have any kids, the fact that dreamboy knew the results so far tells me that they voted - do they have a 12-15 year old?

 

You suggested it is representative of their followers and listeners. I am neither of those things (nor am I a parent) but I could vote in this poll as can millions of other people who see it through it being shared by others. It shows what people who saw their poll thinks about vaccinating children but it doesn’t show what parents of that age group think, despite that being who the question is targeting so hopefully they won’t say X amount of parents who answered our poll think Y, because that would be false.

 

Any mention of vaccine passports not being mandated? No?

Just moved onto a different subject and twisted it to suit your views? I know I shouldn't be surprised by now but I always hope for better from you.

Allowing children from 12-15 to get vaccinated if they and their family choose to? Monsters.

 

You're right but isn't that the case with the vast majority of polls and surveys?
I used to get paid by one of the survey companies to fill in online surveys. The first few questions were always about you're personal circumstances in order to accept or reject you from the survey and me not being a complete idiot realised that if the survey was by pampers then they wouldn't be interested in my opinion if I didn't have kids.

I've filled in and been paid for those surveys as a single young lad, old married man, woman, housewife, executive, parent and God knows what else and my replies have been used in everything from market research for new products through to government data finding.

I find it interesting that if an anonymous survey doesn't give results that we like then it's not reliable but if the results back your (not your your) agenda then it is gospel. Best example of that is the completely anonymous online survey that said 97% of women had been sexually assaulted. Repeated everywhere as fact despite the fact that logically it couldn't have been accurate at all and the results made no sense.

 

Doesn't seem unlikely to me.

 

You're going to have to give me more to work with than that. What doesn't?

 

Sorry, the first bit doesn't seem.unlikely but the last part is probably right.