Surprised we havent had Brexiters gloating about the Benefits

I think all blokes should be made to wear ruffs, they should bring back golliwogs with large water-melon smiles, cholera should be reintroduced and school pupils should be taught how to use quill pens....

 

the one thing you failed to highlight is, do we have the leadership and government to actually invest and innovate in these areas? Post Brexit we haven't seen any. During Brexit we also didn't see any either which is why FDI has been the source. So just being ‘out’ is one thing, reinvesting in our own country is another.

 

I wonder if my ration book will be in lbs or KGs? Going to be an exciting 2022 getting my slice of butter in oz’s.

 

The vote to leave was 100% correct in my opinion yes and I think we will see that in the coming years as the EU collapses. How it was negotiated and delivered is another thing completely which I've posted about before. It became more of a political point scoring game to some both within our own parliament and in the EU..

Back to the energy situation, criminal how it was sold off to foreign entities in past years by the Tories. Any future Labour government should immediately rectify that with whatever powers they have to do so. If we ever allow the chinese to take control of any of it, that would be disastrous for this country.

 

The main thing is all our foreign owned energy companies are making a fat profit, and there’s more money in shortages then in having surplus so it will long continue. In fact I believe the privately owned Enron games the Californian power market to create artificial short falls and make more money. Another success of thatcherism!

 

Obviously Covid pretty much has scuppered infrastructure development, but even so the signs aren't really positive so I'd say no. I don't think any single one of the political parties are serious about levelling up which would certainly drive improvements in infrastructure etc. Everything just revolves around the south and in particular London.

 

We won’t really need energy as we can eat the potato peelings raw

 

Didn't we have all the 'EU about to collapse' guff before the brexit vote? Nonsense then. Nonsense now.

 

Not really, many thought the UK leaving my be the catalyst to start the domino effect but as soon as we left, along came covid... Every nation has been battling that and ignoring virtually every other issue.

Things are calming with the vaccine rollouts and the focus is back on the increasing tension and serious disagreements between the EU and member states.

I found it hilarious that the EU's former lead negotiator Michel Barnier who is going to run for the French presidency recently was quoted saying 'It's time for France to regain its 'legal sovereignty' and claw back power from Germany.'..

All the signs are there. It will collapse.

 

Bring back the Tufty adverts ! Missed them I have

 

Is it though? It'll be around long after the UK has broken apart.

 

I think the state of the U.K. Post Brexit has done more to convince members that leaving is absolutely stupid than anything else could.

U.K. will break up long before the EU. No appetite at all for that

 

no I think is the honest answer but then people would have to look at the choices that got us here.

 

The problem with this is that it was pretty clear that whether or not it was correct to leave the eu, they were never going to be able to deliver it in anything like the ways they suggested.

Nor were they ever likely to be able to substantiate any of the headline reasons they gave to promote the brexit campaign. Mainly because it was mostly lies.

You are judging whether or not it was right to vote to leave based on your judgment that the eu is dying. That may or may not be the case (I’d say it isn’t, irrelevant to my point though) but even if so, I’d strongly argue that voting to leave it at the time we did was monumentally stupid. Even if it was dying, you don’t walk away from it when it is still strong and detriment your own people so much. In the name of what? Blue passports? Selling in pounds and ounces? Or the lies that it would reduce immigration and fund the nhs?

The mess the country finds itself in has a bit to do with covid, yes: but it’s mainly to do with brexit (and the completely incompetent majority government voted in by the masses to make sure brexit happened) - let’s be honest, Boris got the gig so he could get brexit done.

Cracking job. By him and those that have voted him in.

It is already pretty clear that leaving the union has been alarmingly self harming in the immediate and short term. I believe history will show it to be equally self harming in the medium term, maybe long term.

The quality of life for working class people, especially in the north, is going to suffer for years, in my view decades, due majorly to the brexit vote and everything that has come after it to facilitate ‘honouring a democratic vote’.

I’m not sure anyone voted for the brexit we got. And if they did, they’re a bloody idiot.

 

Is the brexit argument even a thing anymore?

 

In what way did being a member of the EU benefit the working class of the north exactly ? A few extra products on the supermarket shelf or it's a bit easier to go on a European holiday ? You could argue labour shortages but then that makes our low pay economy even more laughable . Let's all vote to have unlimited immigration then sit here fingers crossed that we get a pay rise .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-58409277

I hope you don't find the above story too offensive but for too long the working class in this country have been treated as a never ending commodity to be negotiated down at any given opportunity thanks in kind to a never ending stream of labour.

 

Now tha can have all that bart the coil fire.

 

Is that “Land of hope and glory” I can hear in the background?