Surprised we havent had Brexiters gloating about the Benefits

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Good god, you really are fekin deluded aren't you??

Have you seen where brexit is actually COSTING us £600 million a week, whereas being in Europe wasn't anywhere near that figure, but blockheads like you can't see the light and it's THIS country that will fall apart, NOT the EU...

 

Not quite. We helped pay for it because we were net contributors to the EU budget. I completely agree that successive UK Govs and I include Blair in that, would not have funded it. However, in the increasingly complicated funding mechanism of EU funding and the increasingly poor countries as comparators (and competitors for funding) who were joining, we had been downgraded in funding spending in our area and others. Had we stayed in the EU we would not have received anything like the aid we had in the past if anything at all.

 

Mate, take a step back. I think you've answered the OPs question as to why there isn't more contribution from people who voted Brexit. It doesn't take long before the name-calling starts and the argument becomes visceral.

 

the U.K. govt not pay for it that is factually incorrect. Do you think that the Thatcher Govt would have spent those funds on the Dearne Valley Blair certainly didn’t has you say. I guess the test will be if the current tory govt starts investing in Barnsley or Cornwall at the same level as the EU

in other news the tories have a bus we can send 350 million a week to the NHS they would like to sell you.

in fairness Blunkett blagged us a lot of that money.

 

Precisely. Still waiting for Turkey to join myself. I wish they'd make their minds up. First it was going to expand to include mooslims from Turkey now it's about to collapse.

 

Intriguing to talk about Turkey. It may have joined, ceteris Paribus . Erdogan's coup meant it wouldn't happen. However, prior to that when it was on the cards, how do you feel about the ECB giving Ford a soft loan to build a new factory to move Transit production from Southampton to Turkey as a sop for Turkey taking Syrian refuges in 2011/12. To me it looks like UK taxpayers money being used to help big business kill british jobs to take advantage of cheap labour elsewhere. Repeated hundreds of times from Rowntrees (to Poland) and Jaguar (to Slovakia) EU grants at our expense to kill british jobs to help big business take advantage of cheap labour. Do you know the Socialist Workers Party campaigned to leave the EU? as did our most left MP, Dennis Skinner and before him, Tony Benn.

 

Turkey had so many hurdles to clear to gain admission it was commonly accepted they would never be likely to succeed.
But the brexiteers used it as a scare tactic to help get the racist element to vote out.
But you spin it how you like. We all know perfectly well what was going on.

 

Is that a serious question?

From the late eighties onwards, investment for urban regeneration, attracting businesses to the areas, creating employment (pretty **** employment in a lot of cases, but still, honest wage earners), allowing areas like South Yorkshire to at least partly recover from being decimated by the murdering of the heavy industries - coal, steel are the primary examples - that were the lifeblood of the area.

Pretty much everything that has had any funding assistance around South Yorkshire for thirty years or more has been eu funded.

How much do you think our areas will get from a london centric government? Especially a Tory one?

There’s the Barnett formula to ensure that per capita, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland get the same investment as England.

There’s no fecking Barnett formula to ensure the north gets the same investment as London and the Home Counties though.

 

They weren’t responsible for the NHS Bus, or the immigration scare stories

 

Did you actually read my post. Google it. The ECB gave Turkey a soft loan to re-locate british jobs to Turkey, either as a prelude to joining or as a bribe for taking refugees the sclerotic EU government had otherwise no idea what to do with. That's not spin, that's fact. Confront it. answer the question. If you genuinely like the EU then defend it, don't body swerve the argument

 

I agree that the EU decided to spend the money on our region based on a very complex set of rules about pockets of deprivation. I completely agree that the Westminster governments of both colours would not have spent that money. The funding started prior to 1997 under the coalfields initiative and I'm glad for my area it did. however. EU funding is based on comparators and with the absorption of very poor eastern states, it altered the equation. In its last pre-bexit budget, west yorkshire had moved down a notch for funding to nil and south yorkshire was pegged to do the same had we stayed in. Only two UK areas qualified for strategic aid of any description and that was Cornwall and the western tip of Wales

 

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I can’t find anything, have you got a link to the article, my mother in law has a house in Turkey, might be an interesting read.

 

You say neither Tories or Labour would’ve spent that money, but can you prove Labour wouldn’t have? It’s common knowledge that The Thatcher and Major Govts, tried stop all of the EU money reaching these parts and tried to divert it elsewhere and generally made it as difficult as they could.

 

Even Farage admits that was a lie these days. They were close to joining in the same sense that I am starting up front tomorrow. It’s theoretically possible but unlikely.

 

and the U.K. Govt had replaced that funding to wales and Cornwall like for like with all the money that it saved…

I understand EU funding rules. In fact via my work at the time in a very very basic way was part of the TUC research team that provided some of the information used to secure funding.

The future is unknown in terms of where funding will go however what is known from looking at pretty much any infrastructure project round here is the level of funding we did receive. It actually helped to level us up.

 

In October of 2015, the EU offered to restart Turkey's accession negotiations and offered them €3b in return for keeping Syrian refugees out of the EU.

 

No, what I have said is a fact. You are very typical of people from one side of the brexit argument. An ostrich when it comes to facts that don't suit your argument. Please show me where farage has made any comment on this. I will show where he has commented and something of the facts:

 

Accession NEGOTIATIONS. If I recall there were about 60 criteria they had to meet and were nowhere near compliance. Cummings said himself it wasn't about to join but was in "the process" when confronted about the tactic and smirked while doing so.
We could offer a contract to Messi and be in "the process".
You're better than that SB. There was no realistic chance of them joining without doing a 180 degree change in political direction.
the simple evidence to back that up is this. Are Turkey in or close to being in the EU yet?
It was a scare story and you know it.

 

See answer to SB.
Oh, and I'll ask you this. Why do you think it was Turkey they were scaremongering about?