Return of a few for Saturday

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  1. sadbrewer

    sadbrewer Well-Known Member

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    Benson, Kitching, Palmer and both Williams should all be available.
     
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    I'd switch to 4-4-2 to get best out of players available. Both Williams' benefit from having a buddy to help out on the flank. If we're persisting with out of form Brittain I'd play him as a right winger because his distribution is better.

    Assuming the Williams' were involved I'd go.

    Collins

    Brittain, Helik, Kitching, B.Williams

    J.Williams, Benson, Gomes, Styles

    Woodrow, Iseka.

    Team I'd pick on current form:

    Collins

    Sibbick, Helik, Halme

    Brittain, Hondermarck, Gomes, Styles

    Freiser, Woodrow, Iseka.

    My best fit 11 would something in between with a strong bench. That's why I haven't got much time for Schopp. I'm Joe Public scribbling down ideas and I can still pick a better 11.
     
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  3. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    You keep saying 4-4-2. Jordan Williams has single digit starts for Barnsley as an out and out full back. Ben Williams has struggled previously as an out and out full back.

    I don’t think we have any other out and out full backs in the squad.
     
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    I think if the run without a win carries on to the next break, then a change of formation is inevitable, whether that be 3-5-2 or a back 4. Wouldn’t have any issues with Williams as a right full back personally. He plays a bit deeper than Brittain at wing back and has also played in the back three (which I think might be his best position under Schopp).

    Can’t see why we’d switch from 3-4-3 at the moment though. Am hoping for a performance like QPR away, but with better options off the bench meaning we don’t end up with two centre backs in midfield.
     
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    Good news, hopefully he'll have a full squad to choose from soon.
     
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    Why was Vita signed ? It has been suggested that he can play left back as well as wing back & has been on the bench so surely he is an option .
     
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    Clearly you can’t and your constant nonsense about Brittain renders your opinion almost entirely worthless.
     
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    To be fair before last Saturdays game I was chuntering about Brittain, along the lines of “he’s been awful this season” and “he’s never a centre mid”.

    But then I thought was he was excellent against Blackburn so what do any of us know??!!
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    Correct. An attacking full back/wing back is what I’ve read on various reports. An out and out left back? Possibly. As he hasn’t played first team football we don’t know yet. Oduor played a handful of games at LB for Leeds’ U23s and people now ignore that all his games before that were much further up the pitch.

    But to keep suggesting 4-4-2 is the most comfortable formation for our squad when we don’t have players who’ve played as complete full backs for years feels like a reach. Might work out great, but it’s speculative at best based on historical games. We don’t even have out and out wingers for midfield either really. It’s more square pegs in round holes, which by all accounts Schopp does all the time (even though the best example given is Oduor - but see above on that one).
     
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    Hoping we don't start with ben williams
     
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    Me too. Although I think if I was to play him it would be purely defensively.
     
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    Perhaps. I just think doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome is madness. I don't like defenders in midfield. It sures things up but loses attacking options because 9 times out of 10 defenders aren't comfortable in advanced positions. People go on about Halme. He offers very little with the ball but he's a threat from set pieces because he gets into good positions. That doesn't make him a striker. He isn't going to take a man on and unleash a crisp shot from 18 yards.
     
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    Not sure anyone has suggested putting Halme up front. Or have I missed that one?

    Don’t understand throwing the baby out with the bath water when we’ve not had anywhere near a full squad to select from and results haven’t been terrible with all those things considered. We should have beaten Blackburn fairly comfortably really. We didn’t. So we’re not heading in to tomorrow’s game 13th in the league.
     
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    I think you are getting me mixed up with another poster, I have never suggested we go 4-4-2 , I was merely responding to the question about was there anyone else who could play at left back & therefore I threw Vita into the debate
     
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    It was a generalisation about Halme. That's why I said people. I was thinking back to when posters (not yourself) were on about playing Halme up front. It was an an analogy of playing players out of position.
     
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    Scares me to death defensively jumps into tackles instead of standing his man up, Coventrys winger gave him nightmares earlier on in the season. Tries hard though ill give him that reminds me of George Smith.
     
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    Not getting you mixed up. But the conversation around full backs was linked to 4-4-2 so I was going back to the original point in the exchange I was having and you replied to. If we talk full backs in another thread then I wouldn't mention it.
     
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    I find it interesting though that there's been lots of noise about 'baffling' selection by Schopp, not really backed up by evidence when you go through the players available, yet whenever someone puts their own team forward there's nearly always at least one player not playing where has the last two years or being forced in to the side because they don't want to drop him.

    General comment not at you specifically.
     
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    That was when Struber kept chucking him on up top for the last 5 minutes when we were chasing the game and lumping it long.

    Think it was more of a case of "if we're lumping it long, we may as well start with Halme up there", than a genuine suggestion.

    I'd still stick with 3-4-3 with Styles and Brittain on the wings. Why break something that has worked so well for us? Benson is back fit now and Gomes almost up to speed. This will hopefully be our first choice midfield. The back 3 ought to pick itself, and its just a case of who plays with Woodrow. I'd start Frieser, as his running off the ball and work ethic really help us especially since Chaplin left. Whichever Belgian (I hate calling them that) is fittest, should be the 3rd striker.
     

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