Sarah Everard

I'm not disagreeing with you re the police's failings. My point basically is that the vigil should have been delayed. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the police interpretation of the law and its dialogue with the organisers the High Court judge did uphold the illegality of this particular event. I think he alluded to the idea that many many attendees would turn up and effectively make any social distancing attempts futile. So in effect that's why I believe he backed the police viewpoint. Whether or not one agrees with the High Court judge finding in the police's favour is another issue. He did though. That's enough for me on this thread now. Cheers

 

none of that is quite right though.

 

Selectively reported image promoted by the press to create a media frenzy. Failing to report the whole story to paint the Police/Government in a bad light. The press should be held accountable. So sad to use the unforgivable death of a young woman for political gain.

 

The correct sentence got handed out today. He doesn't deserve to see daylight again. It's sickening what she went through and her family were so strong and brave to stand up in front of him to give statements. How sad the likes of Piers Corbyn felt this was the time and place......

 

This thread made me the angriest of any thread on this forum.

Blokes defending coppers violently handling women who were protesting that a copper kidnapped raped and murdered a woman.

From then till now there’s been hundreds of protests in this country and not a single one has resulted in the police violence that this one did.

And I’d bet the blokes here who defended the cops would be blind to the same treatment tomorrow. And that’s why it happens.

 

You are saying that he murdered her because people believe that the protest (as you say rather than vigil) was dealt with with the force required? Really?

 

I've always been against the death penalty but sometimes I wish they'd bring it back as a one off. This is one of those times.

 

I think that this is the most sinister and chilling case I can remember of a single-instance murder. Thankfully, there has not been the usual willy-waving sentiment about what the sentence should be because the whole of life sentence doesn't really leave anywhere to go. The sentencing remarks of Lord Justice Fulford, although harrowing in parts are a model of clarity and reasoning. There remains the possibility that the defendant may appeal against the term because he has nothing to lose. But I commend the remarks of the judge:

Wayne Couzens Sentencing Remarks (judiciary.uk)

 

Don’t be ridiculous. The force required? Really? 14 stone men piling on 9 st women? The same guys that don’t get involved piling into Millwall fans.

Of course - there could be no connection between idiots accepting that and other people believing that using violence against women is perfectly acceptable.

But you keep sticking up for em; I’m sure it doesn’t reflect badly on you.

 

If the law applies differently to different case then we are well and truly ******.

 

Obviously it shouldn't. I just mean that emotionally it's how I feel. It's not what my brain actually thinks should happen

 

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I'm sticking up for no-one. I'm saying that when someone attends a protest (not a vigil) with a can of spray paint to vandalise and spray ALL coppers are ******** all over the place whilst chanting and shouting obscenities then they should be dealt with and regardless of what's between that person's legs they should be dealt with the same. The police should have supported a peaceful vigil, I don't understand vigils personally but it's a nice thing, a good thing, that should have been supported. I also believe that they should have supported a peaceful demonstration to highlight the issue of crimes against women. However there were people attending who's aim was to antagonise and abuse the police, who were painting ALL police as the same and who were using Sarah's death to cause trouble. Those people in my opinion had to be dealt with, just because they were women doing it doesn't mean they get a free pass to do as they please.

I also happen to believe they should be much much tougher on football hooligans and use force if needed to control the likes of Millwall fans who tend to be largely male. Personally I think that makes me consistent.

I don't in any way condone violence against women, rape, murder or anything like that. I've never in my life catcalled or shouted obscenities at a woman, in fact for various reasons there's no way I'd be even approaching a woman I don't know and attempting to strike up a conversation. If I saw a woman (or a man) being, harassed, assaulted or attacked I would do everything I can to stop it. If I knew someone who engaged in any of the above 'behaviour' I would be straight in there telling them they're bang out of order. I'd cut them out of my life and if needed I'd have no hesitation contacting the police. In fact I HAVE cut people out of my life for that kind of behaviour (on the lower end) when I was a teenager. My view on how police deal with protests of ALL genders and makeups of people has absolutely no correlation to my view on sexual crimes and violence in general.

 

Fair comment. And I think emotionally, mine would too.

 

I live in Clapham, one street from where Sarah Everand disappeared. My wife and female friends walk that street, so this one is personal.

However that vigil was ******* ********. I was there. It was extinction rebellion types of the feminist world begging to be arrested and cause a scene. Don't get me wrong - it was policed poorly, but the organisers were begging to be arrested and create a name for themselves.

It's so disappointing this tragedy has become a catch-all political argument. When the reality is it was caused by one bad egg. The issue is, the bad egg is always, always male and wtf do you do to change that?

 

‘One bad egg’ the guy was known as ‘the rapist’ for years and they did nothing about it. That puts blame on the institution and it is therefore a political problem. Stomach turning statement.

 

Sorry, I'm pissed so probably didn't make the most sense.

I don't for a minute agree that all men are the problem. But then again nearly all violence is carried out by men. How to equate these two contrasting statements is something I can't get my head around.

Obviously the bad egg should have been rooted out of the police years before, but would he still have attacked and what could have been done to stop him?

 

Having previously worked in the police for 10 years across three separate departments, my experience (which is all I can go by) is of a sizeable chunk of blokes who think its okay to have multiple affairs and believe they are better than the average bloke on the street. I absolutely hated the mentality and it made me unwell which in a positive note pushed me into mental healthcare. I'm not saying there are tonnes of Wayne Couzens in there because I do not believe there are, but attitudes and behaviours need to change.

Recruitment teams need to root out those who are seeking power and authority via stringent psychological testing because it gives those who genuinely want to improve society a bad name. Unfortunately the role tends to attract those types for a variety of reasons.

 

Although not comparable to the Couzens case it is highly regrettable that the case of PC William Sampson is not due to come to trial until 7 March next year. Justice delayed, and all that.......

 

Thought I'd share this . So women who think that a sole male police officer who's acting suspicious are supposed to run away and flag down a bus ? It's almost an admittance that they ve got a problem but would rather not deal with it and instead make it the member of publics issue .