of course they are getting heat for that statement because its unrealistic as others have pointed out elsewhere a copper with a warrant card tells you to come with him its a bit hard to dash off without a resisting arrest charge being added. As for the flagging down a bus - that might work in London but for sure it wouldnt work in large parts of the country where busses come as frequently as Barnsley FC goals
I think it would be good for people in general to understand their rights and what the Police can and can't detain you for and what you can make sure they do. I'm guessing the Met chief would rather not point these things out and would rather people "wave a bus down" whatever the fk that means - they barely stop for you when you're at a bus stop, they ain't never going to stop randomly for someone waving their arms at them.
I think you'll find I said the heat was 'understandable' and the advice was 'weak'. Your response comes across like I was saying the opposite?
I think the police attracts a significant number of people who are attracted to the power and sense of superiority. The issue comes when these people aren't challenged or told to wind their necks in, and if you get a sufficient concentration then they just enable each other's behaviour.
Since that murder 80 women have been murdered by men, in 6 months in this country. This case isn’t a statistical anomaly. Somewhere now people are working with a guy who they know behaves in the same way as Couzens, the guy who’s mates refer to as a bit creepy, a sex pest, a mysoginist, the guy watching porn openly in the office, the guy who shares jokes we find offensive but don’t think it’s bad enough to report him. In the last few years in Donny I’ve personally known family of 2 young women brutally murdered by an ex partner, both times all the warning signs were there but the police failed to keep those women safe. We’ve no chance of changing that whilst people believe it’s one bad egg.
Have to disagree with this comment, there's a small amount. Most join because they want to make a difference and get baddies whilst helping the communities they grew up in. Most coppers come from backgrounds where they've actually witnessed crime. It's once you get in the job that you are told you are superior and have many powers. The closed shop, firm like mentally is drilled into you. Some will let that power and feeling of being untouchable define their career. It all starts at the top, unethical and bad practices are learnt behaviours. This murderer would have done it with or without a warrant and uniform to hide behind I'm sure. The Met though allowed him to do this in plain sight, which is bloody scary.
Couzens allegedly shared offensive material on a WhatsApp group with five serving officers, including three from the Met, months before he raped and murdered Everard. He has also been linked to three instances of indecent exposure, including one six years ago when he was at Kent police, but no action was taken and he was allowed to pass vetting processes to become an armed Met officer, mainly guarding embassies. In 2015 Couzens is believed to have been reported to police for being naked from the waist down in a car in Kent, and he is accused of exposing himself twice at a London McDonald’s days before the murder of Everard. Details of cars linked to Couzens in both instances were passed to police but no checks were carried out to link him to the alleged crimes
So to summarise; there are sexual predators in the force that fellow officers know about or are tolerated by the Police establishment. Police chiefs now want vulnerable women out at night who encounter plain clothes officers to vet, run, tell or hide. And fatso Johnson thinks the Police are alright really. You couldn't make it up, haven't they or the PM realised how serious all this is? Putting the onus of responsibility back onto to women is about the most 5hit headed thing I've read about in a long time.
Perfectly summarised. Makes you fcking sick this country. Cressida Dick should be ashamed of her comments and her police force. How she’s still in a job I’ll never know.
It's what he/the govt have been doing for years, blaming us / victims for things they ultimately control.
Going against the grain for a change I understand the advice they're giving. They're saying that if a woman (or a man) feels unsafe when asked to stop by a plain clothes officer or feels that something isn't right then they should try to get someone's attention. That's common sense really and no different to the advice we've always had about an unmarked police car flagging you down. It isn't an admission that thousands of police are murderers in hiding, it's nothing of the sort. But it's completely unworkable. How the hell do you leg it from a police officer without them arresting you for doing a runner? How does the perfectly innocent police officer know if the woman is doing a runner or running for her life? We'll end up with people being wrongly arrested for trying to resist arrest every day and it won't be the individual police officers fault or the person running off. You can't just advise people to run from the police without thinking of the consequences of that advice. I wonder if we've got the technology available that EVERY time a police officer opens their warrant card some kind of instant alert is put out to a control room so that they know which officer it is and exactly where and when. And to put the member of public at ease some signal could be given on the card itself to say this is a genuine officer and this interaction is being logged. Would it be possible that opening the card takes a 10 second none deletable video of member of public that is sent straight to a control room? Obviously that's on top of weeding out the minority of officers who are scum in the first place
They need to weed out the 'majority' of officers who fail to report the 'minority' of scum. Those that don't are in effect condoning their behaviour.
Yes, and the Judge in the Sarah Everard case has made the horrific crime committed by Couzen; abusing his position as a police officer, equivalent to that of a terrorist, and it seems not to trouble them or clownman.
"An arrest of an unaccompanied female suspect by a sole male officer shall be unlawful, and any such arrest shall be actionable against the relevant police force and will result in instant dismissal of the officer concerned." Simple statutory provision for the reassurance of the population. And if the police feel that would hamper their operations then they will know who is to blame.
Are you saying you think it should be illegal for a male police officer to arrest a woman regardless of what she's done if he's on his own? Absolutely bonkers
Yes. Sadly, this is what it has come to. Observe the suspect, foolow if necessary. Radio for backup. Effect the arrest once you are accompanied by another officer. May be extreme, the female population deserve reassurance.
