Weak Down The Wings

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  1. dreamboy3000

    dreamboy3000 Well-Known Member

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    dreamboy3000, Oct 4, 2021
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    leythtyke Well-Known Member

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    It's not about individual players though, it's about how we are organised.

    Every team has seen it, and we've done nothing about it.
     
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    It's pretty obvious to anyone that saw the Blavkpool, Forest and Milwall games that we're weak down the flanks. A ball into the chanel for someone to run onto usually exposes the lack of pace in the back 3 and the wide midfielders. Sibbick is our quickest defender but can't get a game. Is it time to revert to a back 4?;
     
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    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    I thought we combatted that well on Saturday though. There weren't any balls available over the back of the wing backs as defensively it was more of a back five. Now and again on the counter, but you'll always get that at some point in the game. The defence also did a better job of sliding across as a unit when needed.

    I like our wide players. I don't like how they've been asked to setup in a lot of the games this season.
     
    Loko the Tyke, Oct 4, 2021
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    Not sure about 4 at the back yet, as the wide 2 drop back to make 5 at the back without the ball. 3 up front is definitely not working though, I'd put 2 up top and an extra man in midfield
     
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    Stephen Dawson Well-Known Member

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    I think we'll have some new manager bounce is the new guy has some common sense and starts picking something like what you suggest.
     
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    Menai Tyke Well-Known Member

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    We played that on sat at times. Cauley dropped into midfield with Iseka & Cole being the front two.
     
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    I think that we also struggle to get down the wings going forward. We seem totally incapable of getting to the bye-line and turning defences. How many times have we been able to create chances like the one Cauley scored from at Loftus Road?
     
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    I agree we're too light in midfield so an extra body surely would counter that?
     
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    It's because if you don't boot/hoof the ball forward, or play fast counter attacking football, the system of a front three can sometimes be crowded as everyone searches for the ball. If the ball goes in to Devante, he's not holding it up and bringing someone in to play who's 20/25 yards away, so naturally Iseka and Woodrow are a lot closer to him.

    We only have two in the middle who now have to get up the pitch and down, box to box if you will, because the ball isn't sailing over their heads. As a result the #9 is isolated so the other two forwards come closer to the ball to give him options rather than being out wide. Our wing backs have to provide the width when this happens, but if they bomb forward we run the risk of not being setup correctly at the back. Having a Gomes type in there helps, but I do think we're better suited to a midfield three that allows the wing backs to take risks, knowing the CBs can split to the wings and at least one of the CMs would drop in to create a protective bank of four.

    I know people say football is simple but I find it gets more complicated every year (or I just get older and less wiser!).
     
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    That's my thinking as well H
     
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    But we need Woodrow up front, with an extra midfielder in midfield.
     
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    A change to 3 5 2 would go a long way to providing defensive midfield cover to the wing-backs.
     
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    That bit I don’t disagree with.
     
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    I'm voting loko for next manager.
     
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    I can't even get the FanZone open mate. Turnstiles working properly would be the least of our worries if I had more responsibility.
     
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    I know he did, but I'd play a proper midfielder and keep Cauley up front. That's where he can do most damage getting on the end of things and converting chances. Caley dropping deep (sometimes into defence) is a complete waste
     
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    We need some of these:

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    This is what most people I talk to have been saying. Midfield is the problem, we're lacking numbers/quality in there and it's hurting us at both ends of the field.
     
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    I think if we're going to play a defender in midfield it has to be Jordan Williams simply because he's the best on the ball and looks to play forwards. I'd even factor in Oduor in midfield over Moon or Brittain. I'd go with five too.
     
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