Latest Brexit nonsense

Patel announces that Europeans won't be allowed into the UK with an identity card, they must have a passport on grounds that Id cards are insecure. Whilst at the same time the government is intending to bring in the requirement to show an Id card before being allowed to vote.

 

Tbf, I always thought you needed a passport ?

 

No you can roam round the EU with only a national Id card from a member country. So now someone who lives in, say Spain and doesn't have a passport can go anywhere in the EU with his national Id card but can't come to the UK, are they going to bother to get a passport just so they can come here? Are they heckers like. Another nail in the coffin of the UK tourism industry.

 

Most people ‘travel’ with a passport, and I’ve never seen anyone rock up at an EU passport control and flash other ID , but quite often it was possible.

 

So if I got a plane to Spain I only needed to show my drivers licence?

 

I edited my post as I was never certain what counted as ID

 

Yep. My friend managed to lose her passport on the train to the ferry port in Newcastle but they still let her sail to Amsterdam on her driving licence. I did wonder whether having failed to look after her passport on a train from Sheffield to Newcastle, should she really be going to Amsterdam, but she's still alive.

 

It's all a bit of a grey area anyway is ID . I don't need a passport to enter Ireland but the last time I visited I was required to carry one as the airline required it and that was when we were still in the EU . I'd hazard a guess that if your flying anywhere within the EU you'd be required to do the same .

 

Voter ID isn't about security. It's about trying to quietly disenfranchise the poor, who are less likely to have a driving licence or passport, and less likely to go through the cost and hassle of applying for an ID card if they have neither.

 

What about postal voters?

 

Put a 1st class stamp on thi forehead with a plack on a bit of string around thi kneck with the words Election Office on it and post your self.

 

Polish, Romanians and Italians regularly used ID cards to travel. The old Italian ones were like something made on Blue Peter. I revoked many of them due to the condition they were presented.
You can scan them, but you need to do other things which add a bit longer to your wait to be cleared/landed.
ID cards used to be easier to forge or counterfeit but like most ID they developed over time.

 

I did once try to use my driving licence as ID to fly back from Perpignan. We were in the EU at the time and, in theory, you could travel between EU states on non-passport photo ID. I did have my passport but got a lot of hassle at the time as I was 9 years into a 10-year passport, during which time I'd gone from a 90’s indie mophead to completely bald and started wearing specs. My mugshot looked nothing like me.

I think land borders in mainland Europe, I'd have been fine but at the airport it was no passport, no boarding pass. At least having shown both, they believed the person on the passport was actually me.

 

Ireland is in the Common Travel area with the UK, IoM and the Channel Islands. You absolutely don't need a passport to fly to Ireland (I flew on a driving licence), but you can also use an expired passport, a copy of an expired passport, or even a photo ID card (mine was from the Guernsey government though for travel to/from Guernsey, often via Jersey).

This "passport only" requirement could only practically apply to the mainland GB though - it would be impossible to police in Northern Ireland. So an EU citizen could move to Dublin, and just cross the border.

 

You need a passport to fly Ryanair to Dublin

 

What a load of old tosh, are you telling me that the people of Spain do not buy passports , even if it was true that you do not need one there are other parts of the world they might just travel to but I will say this , I have been all over Europe on many occasions & have always had to go through passport control & have my passport inspected , it will have no bearing on the UK tourism what so ever.

 

Obviously.

 

Because you have a passport and the UK does not and never has had, Id cards. In the EU a visitor to the UK could come in with a national Id card, this is the policy which Priti Patel has changed. It will impact tourism.

 

They are going to stop or severely limit that as well. Oh and changing some constituency boundaries to their benefit.

 

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