Yorkshire CCC

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...Howe-wasnt-good-Newcastle-Mike-Ashley-is.html

The excellent reporter Martin Samuels spot on again......

 

I'm not saying it would but the lad from Pakistan signed as the overseas player in 2008 supposedly was subject to racism and witnessed others being racially abused but then signed to play for Yorkshire again in 2009 to play under the same leadership with the same players that just doesn't sit right with me because unlike Rafiq he has no connection with Yorkshire so why put yourself through hell for a second year. Also where is Rashid in all this he's a highly regarded international player who I'm sure would have other counties queueing up for his signature surely even if he wasnt subjected to the abuse personally he wouldn't want to play with players who racially abused a fellow Muslim player with a similar South Asian heritage yet he's been at Yorkshire for years too. Don't get me wrong if all this is true heads should roll and there should be no exceptions.

 

I'm not sure I understand the argument for not punishing the fans by withdrawing international matches from Headingley. There are lots of counties that never get any internationals. Hell... I live in East Anglia and it's a fair trek to any ground. People in Yorkshire will just have to travel a bit further to watch international cricket for the duration of the ban like most of the rest of us.

The club suffers more than the fans and that needs to happen after everything that's transpired.

 

Well aspects of Rafiq's story have been confirmed by others, as well as the reports basically confirming that the events had happened.

I'm not sure why you're so eager to dismiss it as ********, or tell the victims of racism how they should have acted.

 

I think Michael Vaughan should have taken his own advice.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...ligence-emergence-Ollie-Robinsons-tweets.html

 

I'm not seeking to dismiss anything or tell others how to behave, I just find it strange that you'd keep putting yourself in that position especially the lad from Pakistan. I get Rafiq may have stuck it out because he's a Yorkshire lad and obviously his family live in Barnsley but Naved was a Pakistani international who I'm sure would have had other offers it just seems strange that if he was the subject of this awful abuse he'd come back for seconds. Would you???

 

I don't know what I'd do in that position because I have never been racially abused.

 

Well I have. While working as an insurance agent in Batley I was called a fat white ******* by a customer of Pakistani heritage who had his car insurance cancelled for non payment he also called my wife a whore and said my children were dogs. So I pointed out to him that he had only made two correct points Iam indeed fat and white but my parents had been married for at least 18 years when I was born and my wife isn't a whore and my children aren't dogs although we do have dogs that my wife treats like children so I suppose he was half right anyway I made sure I wouldn't have to go through the abuse again by reporting it at the time and telling my employer I wouldn't be going back to that particular address again.

 

It's not really the same though, is it?

 

What, why are there different types of racism then

 

In what way is it not the same?? I was racially abused whilst carrying out my job does the fact I'm white make it less of an offence??? The only difference is I reported it at the time to my employer and took steps to take myself out of the situation

 

The difference between using a racist term to insult someone and systemic racism, or racist oppression, is night and day.

 

Yours was an isolated incident of abuse from someone with no power over you. It couldn't be more different. If you think they're the same then it shows just how difficult BAME people have it and the battle they face in getting claims to be taken seriously.

 

What on earth are you talking about, a Racist is a racist full stop

 

Isolated incident? So it's ok then ? Sorry but you can't have both ways. It's racial abuse no matter how you dress it up.

 

Where did I say it wasn't racist abuse or it was ok? I just said it was laughable to compare that experience to Rafiq's, which it is

 

Why is it different?

 

Because as I said, one is an isolated incident of racial abuse from someone with no power over you, rather than sustained and pervasive abuse from your workplace peers and superiors.

 

If only the world was so simple. I'm not sure quite how to get this across to you but I'll try. What the Pakistani man said to stairfoot was racist abuse yes, but it was nowhere near as serious as the systemic racial abuse Azeem Rafiq faced. It has nothing to do with stairfoot being white and Azeem being of Asian origin. It's the magnitude of the offence that we're talking about.

So let's try and put two incidences of racism against white people side by side and see if you view them as the same.

So stairfoot (a white male I'm assuming.. apologies if not) was racially abused, verbally in the process of doing his job. Something he absolutely should not have had to endure.

Robert Mugabe had his supporters burn numerous farmers alive and used his government's power to take their land away from their surviving relatives because they were white.

At these two types of racism the same. Or does the context and consequences matter?

 

was Rafiq kept out of the team because of his colour?