John Fleck

Like with Andrew Wakefield. Measles and mumps had all but been eradicated in this country before his scaremongering.

 

So it could be nowt to do with lifestyles, spoilt upbringing etc (too much Mr Sheen on the worktop etc), or am i misinterpreting the thread?
When i was a nipper footballers with so a so called "unprofessional attitude " as compared to this day and age, rarely popped their clogs whilst doing the do?!

 

Totally agree with many of the views on the paper mentioned. Not only no control group, but use of surrogate end points rather than a clinical outcome, lack of info on the study group and how and why they enrolled and whether they are representative of the population. I could go on.

It's poor science at best and that's only by looking at the abstract. Sadly researchers write papers to get published not to get to the truth. Poor research like this makes it harder to get to the truth. And it makes me as sad and angry as last night's performance did.

Whether professional sports people are having more cardiac events than previous. No idea.

 

So is covid the conspiracy or the vaccine then? Who knows! I might write a research paper and then blame it all on 5G.
Casual Tyke will lap it up no doubt.

 

Could be linked to the vaccines as way more situations have happened in the short period covid jabs have been around compared to the time before that. But we don't know for sure as we don't know the vaccine status of Christian Eriksen, John Fleck, Sergio Aguero, Charlie Wyke, Jens De Smet, Emil Palsson, Dylan Rich and all the others.

 

Why are people so quick to assume the issues are caused by the vaccine rather than the aftereffects of covid itself?

 

Tricky to replicate the study cos they haven’t published any of their methods, data, study design, patient cohort info, or pretty much anything else. According to the expression of concern the whole thing relies on anecdotal info, not study data. Without all that it’s essentially as reliable as quoting a post on Facebook.

For what it’s worth, we’ve given over 100 million doses of vaccine in this country so there’s a huge amount of data on safety and efficacy. And sadly footballers and other young blokes have been keeling over from undiagnosed heart problems for a long time before mRNA vaccines existed.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy

 

Adama Traore collapsed with chest pains playing against Real Madrid last night so that is another one to add to the growing list.

I'm sure it's nothing to do with the vaccines though.

 

Had he been vaccinated? Has he had Covid?

 

In the red corner we have the world's medical experts, doctors and immunologists

In the blue corner we have Dreamboy3000, Matt Le Tissier and the bloke who was certain Trump would be inaugurated even after he lost the election...

I'm all for investigating any possible link, but to draw a causal connection at this point is frankly laughable

 

I got up for a slash last night and tripped over the dog. I’m sure it’s nothing to do with the vaccines though.

 

Be interesting to know one way or another with them to see if a link can be made or dismissed.

 

Inter confirmed Eriksen hadn't been vaccinated, so that's one to scratch off

 

Increase in these energy drinks and all this caffeine perhaps? There could be any number of reasons.

 

Interesting you mention caffeine, that just reminded me of this article I read at the start of last season - https://backpagefootball.com/why-liverpool-wont-win-the-premier-league-this-season/126313/

 

I think sarcasm is lost on Mr Magoo and a few others on here. I wasn't seriously suggesting that he replicated the study. I must remember to use a smiley face next time for the benefit of the less perceptive.

You're right... Footballers have been keeling over for a long time. There was Fabrice Muamba and Marc Vivien Foe and ermmm...

I suspect I can name more who have collapsed during matches in the past month than could be named over the past 10 years. It could be the vaccines or it could be something else... But statistically something is causing fit professional footballers to collapse in unprecedented numbers and it warrants some kind of investigation. Unfortunately, the likes of the BBC and Talk Sport seem intent on squashing any discussion that mentions the vaccines as a possible cause for some reason. I suspect they have been instructed that such talk might hinder the vaccine rollout... But maybe I'm just overly cynical.

 

I don't see much discussion about whether covid itself might be the cause either, despite the fact that would fit the "agenda". Probably because the media consider that it's in bad taste to be speculating about the health of individuals when the cause hasn't been fully investigated and understood.

 

I'd say overly gullible!

 

Just cos you can’t name them doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Long list here, not all heart related but a hell of a lot of them are (and these are just deaths, it doesn’t take into account those who recovered like Fabrice): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_while_playing

And my point about the ‘study’ not being replicable was trying to highlight to you that it isn’t possible to peer review it because they haven’t published any of their methods. Good science is open, with fully described processes, details on study cohorts, clear outcomes - basically all the info you’d need to replicate it if you wished to. That abstract is bad science (or no science at all) cos it doesn’t have any of those things.

Like I said, these sorts of events are sadly not as uncommon as you might expect in younger men. And it’s absolutely important to find out the cause but just saying ‘must be vaccines innit’ isn’t particularly robust root cause analysis. And there’s loads of safety and efficacy data, from this country and globally (which some helpful chaps have even reproduced in this thread). Thinking that the global medical community have either had the wool pulled over their eyes or somehow come to an arrangement with Sky news and the BBC to cover it up is tin foil hattery at it’s finest.