'No Credible Oppoosition'

In what way?

Any examples of right wing policies or statements from any labour MP?

 

Boris has lots of charisma. Would he do you?

 

Obviously not, but he’s evidence to its importance isn’t he?

 

He's evidence it's not relevant, and has little bearing on integrity or suitability.

 

Seriously?
Where did you get that from?
Have you read the latest policy statements from the conference in september? If so, are they the same as the policies of this government? The main ones I read about certainly aren't.

 

I mean evidence the public seem to find it necessary for voting purposes, not that it actually has any tangible use in the real world.

 

Absolutely. Can't be repeated often enough.

 

I find it really tiresome - along the lines of "they're all as bad as each other". No they're not, some are worse, some are better. Anyone who thinks that Starmer isn't "credible" as a leader when compared to the clown in charge isn't really worth debating with, because they are blinkered/blinded by either their love of Corbyn or Johnson.

 

Excellent news. Why not join the Green Party? It doesn't cost much and would greatly help them with campaigning etc. I've been a member for almost 10 years but never really been active. At the very least I'll be out leafleting at the next election.

 

Support of vaccine passports - extreme right wing.

Begging to have full hard closure of all our borders last winter - extreme right wing.

Emily Thornberry saying we should close borders Autumn 2020 because people from India "could bring in God knows what" - a statement so racist it would make Tommy Robinson blush.

 

Quite right, there are huge numbers of decent, honest MPs, might not be a majority of them just now due to the tory 80 seat majority, but upwards of 90% of the opposition MPs are, and maybe a few tories.

 

Pre pandemic, I would have probably classed myself as center-right. I think nowadays, through one reason or another, I'm probably more left on a lot of things. Sick to death of ordinary people being treated with contempt. But I just can't bring myself to vote Labour. Can't help but think they're just as sleazy and incompetent as the Tories. No chance I'd vote for Starmer, he's all about optics. No substance to him whatsoever.

 

Every Labour Govt / Opposition is to the right of any Conservative administration who governed during the post war consensus 45-79. Someone like Harold Macmillan is to the left on many issues of someone like Starmer or Rachel Reeves.

Hawkishness on foreign policy. Criticism of using tax as a means to level up (increases on corporation tax). Key appointments such as treasury Rachel Reeves who wanted more austerity than the tories and has a long history of demonising people claiming benefits probably positions to the right of Sunak. Putting ‘immigration mugs’ Cooper in the shadow cabinet also sends an anti immigration anti disability message out.

The overton window pushed right under Thatcher and Blair. Corbyn for all his faults managed to wrestle it slightly leftward and indeed many of the current Govts policies reflect that as they have dabbled in Keynesianism. Starmer has little interest in doing anything other than the managing the status quo slightly more fairly but let’s not kid ourselves compared to45-79 the swing right is noticeable.

 

Although I do on the face of it agree that Vaccine Passports and Closing Borders does seem quite right wing, but only if it is to suggest that this would be a permanent arrangement and not because of the fact we are in a pandemic. Labours stance on Passports and Closing the borders was about health and nothing more. I know that doesn't fit with your beliefs but it does with a large portion of Society. To think that Starmer/Thornbury or any Labour MP would want that indefinitely is preposterous.

I wasn't aware of her comments. They are terrible things to say, but her voting record would go against anything close to right wing. Were those words despicable, yes, does it automatically make her right wing, no. I'm not sticking up for her, I think the thing she said is as bad as it gets, moronic in fact.

 

Support of vaccine passports - extreme right wing!!!

What a load of twaddle.

 

Closing of borders to prevent economic migrants = possibly right wing. (Pure capitalism doesn't care wear the workers are coming from)
Closing of borders to prevent transmission of disease = an issue of public health.

As we have seen, in today's societies, complete closing of borders for either reason is impossible and trying is futile.

Mandatory vaccines/COVID Vaccines - definitely authoritarian, but could be left or right.

 

Why can't you vote Labour? The clue is in the title, they represent workers. I'm not overly enamoured with Starmer but it's not just him that will hopefully make up the government. At the very worst, workers rights won't be eroded further.

 

Of course it is. All policies that exclude a proportion of society through segregation are, by their nature, extreme right wing. Racial apartheid. Exclusion of women from the franchise. Medical segregationism. All exactly same principle, exclude one proportion of society based on a certain characteristic.

Hard line right wing policies.

 

I'd still argue authoritarian rather than right wing. Extremism isn't exclusive to the right.