The man slowed down BFC plan

Ridiculous thread from the OP.

Our problems now are of our own making. The players need to look at themselves, as do the owners of the club. Last season was a real high point. This season we are dog ****.

 

This forum is about having different threads discussing varying opinions.
If you dont agree that is more than fine and i will enjoy reading your points and replying, my opinion isnt a wind up or ridiculous, a piss take or a load of crap but a view on why we sre struggling this year.
I think i have a valid point on how Vals style of play hasnt helped our players develop as footballers and this is evident now. If you read up on ehat West Brom fans think of Val then you will see that my opinion isnt that daft and they have a team full of ex prem players who are vasty more experienced and developed than ours and should be top 3 and higher.
Reply nicely please, explain how Vals style of football has developed our players and how his time here has left our players in a better place than before he came?
As i think if Poya had taken over from Struber we wouldnt have finished 5th but probably we would have stayed up and the players would now be more advance technically and tactically and not be bottom of the league possibly, just a thought.

 

What are you seeing in Poya that suggests that? At this moment in time it's purely wishful thinking.

 

Wouldn't you say then that it isn't Val's successful style which broke us but the boards decision to attempt to change that style afterwards that has?

 

I don’t see much in Poya to date. He’s had four relatively winnable games and mustered 2 points and 2 goals. The next four look like banker defeats so we’ll by then be looking at one of the worst starts in living memory by a new coach.
I expected him to bring his own playing system and ideas but it’s just more of the same 343 crap that doesn’t work, minus Jasper Moon.

 

The OP deserves a banning for that crazy post.

 

Brilliant!

We could have spent £50m in the summer on players, and Val would still have moved to West Brom, let's not kid ourselves.

 

I think Vals style is forshort term success, longer term success we need to develop the players as footballers thats why no other clubs are following Vals way of playing,
If West Brom get promoted Val will need to change because Prem teams will rip them to pieces if they dont go up then he will be gone.

 

I get your point, and to a certain extend I agree.

I actually think the players you mention are much better suited to a more attractive style of play though. We weren't the dominant force under Big Val until Dike came in to be that focal point up front.

Some of the blame has to lie at the boards feet though, if they've then gone and appointed a coach who's style of football is radically different to the outgoing one.

Of course Val was only in it for himself, there's no loyalty in football anymore. You can't blame him for that though.

From the extended highlights, we seemed the better team up until their first goal. Once again we were carved open in midfield, Palmer being the culprit. He's quickly becoming the most frustrating player we've had in years, because just a few minutes later, he caused confusion in the box which led to our equaliser.

 

I take the point ...some of the footy last season was pub league (wycome at home sticks out) but we are again trying to define our reasons for failure on coaches and its just not.
The disgraceful summer and our contemptuous attitude to recruitment has been our downfall. We had a well drilled extremely fit young side where everyone knew their roles. This season we have.....errr a young side.
They have been devoid of fitness, organisation and strategy. The same players last season are now worth less this.
Every team we see change their coach get new manager bounce.....we do not. That is not the fault of big Val.

 

Not necessarily. But we will never know because we didn't try to keep him.

 

How do you keep someone at the club though that doesn't want to be here? He effectively said in one of his first interviews that we were a stepping stone.

 

"Of course Val was only in it for himself, there's no loyalty in football anymore. You can't blame him for that though."
Good point......again the trouble is how we are set up as a club.
The plan itself, broadly speaking is good. Unfortunately our attitude to our stock (players and coaches) is all about very short term gain. We are very very quick to snatch any old derisary offer for players and deem this success. There is no development of players because we cant wait to take money.....ahh but longer contracts mean we have protection of players/ coaches being transfered etc.
Well imho i have seen little evidence of this....our summer recruitment was a disaster. Our higher management have to accept the high level mistakes were their fault. I will repeat imho....there is no long term plan of devlopment.....errrr imho.

 

You're talking as if their instructions were just to boot the ball anywhere and charge around until it ended up in the back of the net. It wasn't, it was much better than that despite some people being intent on pretending that it wasn't.

The players were poor under Struber and have gone back to being poor since Val left. I don't think that's due to Val somehow stealing their development. I think it's nonsense to say he failed to improve them technically, but even if it was true he still took a group of players used to losing and gave them tactical discipline and the confidence, belief and evidence that they could beat anyone week in week out. That should have been a real benefit to the club but it seems it took Schopp all of about a fortnight to sap it out of them.

 

That cuts both ways though surely?
They appointed Val who was significantly different to Struber as well.

I would offer the view the mistake they made was in appointing Schopp after Val.
IMO the mistake made was allowing the club to get into a position where most of our key personnel on both the playing side and behind the scenes to leave and then to appoint someone who by all accounts was a ‘nice person’ .
Replacing a ‘strong’ Manager with a ‘nicer’ one is always going to be a struggle

 

He wouldn’t have gone to pastures new if the board would have backed him .
Maybe he went because he knew he wouldn’t get the backing his potential deserved .

 

We sell the club to anyone we are after as a stepping stone, nowt wrong with that and nowt wrong with em going as soon as an acceptable offer is put in front of em.

 

Val knew he had a fairly rubbish squad so he thought outside the box and employed a system that was unpredictable and tough to play against.

It was a stroke of genius and saying he is the man who broke the club is nonsensical.